Some real climate changes

By April 17, 2019Other

Website essay 78:  17 April 2019

Every now and then I read something that changes my thinking, or fascinates me, so that I go on to more and more reading in the area. One of my sons gave me a book to read, saying that I might find it interesting. The book, Fingerprints of the Gods, is by Graham Hancock, not a scientist or an historian, and plainly almost an obsessive. More about the book shortly.

Thirty or more years ago I became interested in the myth of the lost city of Atlantis, of which Plato is the early historian, and read a book about the ancient island of Thera, today’s Santorini, which exploded volcanically. The thirty-metre tsunami that followed probably ended the Minoan Civilisation. The area is still the most volcanically active region in the Eastern Mediterranean. At about the same time I read Dennis Wheatley’s They Found Atlantis, a page-turner of the day, though it was first published in 1936.

Mr Hancock is not at all interested in Atlantis, for there are only two page references to it in the nearly 600 pages in his book. But he is most interested in another myth, familiar to us all through the Biblical story of Noah and the Ark. He shows, quite convincingly in my judgment, that these deluge stories are universal, even in ‘far-off’ Australia. They are all set in an ancient time, long before the eras of the narrators, which Hancock calls ‘historic times’. They have much the same story-line: the gods are angry, and decide to exterminate mankind, all but one good man and his lady, who are told to build a boat, or a secure place high up, and wait for the floods to recede. They are instructed to take with them a small sample of living creatures so that the eco-system can start multiplying again (why did you bring the mosquito, Noah?), and they do that too.

We know that at the end of the last Ice Age the ice lay two miles thick above New York, and there were comparably large glaciations across Europe and Asia. We even had small glaciers here in Australia. The last Ice Age was a completely global event that reached its maximum size about 17,000 years ago, having started its accumulation much earlier, perhaps 60,000 years ago. The Glacial Maximum was followed by seven thousand years of deglaciation, ending around 10,000 years ago, which is, not at all coincidentally, the beginning of the period of agriculture and human settlement in villages, the start of our modern human civilisation.

Hancock makes two important points, or perhaps it would be better to say that he reminded me of two important points made by others. The first is that the process of deglaciation was comparatively rapid. Just think about it: two vertical miles of ice disappearing in a few thousand years — disappearing altogether. The earth began to rebound. The melting was accompanied by all sorts of other climatic events, volcanic eruptions, earthquakes, unexpected floods. For example, an early period of melting produced a vast lake in North America, known as Lake Agassiz. The size of this lake was equivalent to the present Black Sea. It waxed and waned, but eventually its ice-wall collapsed and a vast flood swept over adjacent lands.

Second, though rapid, and like Lake Agassiz, the melting had its own staccato history. While the Bible pictures Noah and the Ark as a single event, it is much more likely that there were dozens of comparable events, and humanity had to live through them. They must have been terrible times in which to live. And the worst, it seems, was the two thousand years between 11,000 and 9,000 years ago, the last flick of the glacial tail. Now comes the spooky part.

One of the enduring puzzles of the Egyptian civilisation is how a scattered group of riverside dwellers in the Nile delta were able to design and build the three colossal structures known as the Great Pyramids of Giza, and the frowning Sphinx, very close by.  That mystery has deepened as new techniques have disclosed that the pyramids are part of an astronomical observatory. Where did the maths and physics come from? The dimensions of the biggest Pyramid (of Cheops, the name I learned when studying Egyptian history) are astonishingly correct, to a tolerance that we would find hard to match today. Further mystery: it is as though the ancient Egyptians came into being already equipped with such knowledge, because there are no preceding structures that show the patient learning by trial and error that usually accompanies technological changes. Mystery upon mystery: after the great pyramids there are no more. Succeeding ‘monuments’, if that is what they were, are wholly inferior in design and accomplishment. Why did the Egyptians suddenly lose their skills in this art form?

Hancock says, confidently, that the great pyramids were built very much earlier, and he puts the timing at about 11,000 years ago, and by another race altogether, one wiped out by the last destructive period referred to above. Whoops! You don’t like it? Its boldness worries me, too. Others have posited a group of extra-terrestrials. Conventional Egyptology will have no part of it. The pyramids are named after the Pharaohs who are thought to have commissioned them during their reigns, and that’s that. Hmm. The mysteries remain, I think. 

Hancock wheels in the Sphinx, so to speak, which was carved out of the bedrock in a single piece. Its face has been obliterated, and its surface has been affected by wind — and sand, cry the Egyptologists! No, says a geologist. The striations in the rock are vertical, and were caused by water, not sand. The Sphinx is surrounded by sand, and the wind will fill up the cavity from which it was hewn in the space of a decade or two. A lot of rain must have descended on the head of the Sphinx. The Egyptians kept excellent records of the weather of the Nile over a very long period. There was no such rainfall in historic times. Bradford puts the last likely deluge in the 11,000 year-ago-period. So there you are. A lovely set of mysteries, and all to do with the most recent and destructive climate change humanity has known.

So where does Hancock think the older civilisation came from? Antarctica. Yep, before it was completely covered by ice several thousand years ago. And he has a lovely piece of quasi evidence, the Piri Reis map,drawn in the early sixteenth century by a Turkish admiral and cartographer. It purports to show a chunk of Antarctica as it was before the ice. And a recent study of the land-mass below the present-day ice, using techniques that were not available until recently, suggests that the Piri Reis map is pretty right. Where did the Turkish cartographer get those data from? He didn’t say, and we don’t know. Another mystery.

Well, there you are. I’m taking no sides in this battle. But I am prepared to say that Hancock’s book raises mysteries that are simply not yet explained to anyone’s satisfaction, unless they are ‘believers’. I leave it you, the interested readers, to sort out your own views. Hancock has written other books in this genre, and there is a new one coming out — perhaps it’s already out: The Message of the Sphinx. As I said at the beginning, he’s something of an obsessive.

Finally, I have come to understand that there are puzzles that are not solvable today, and may not be solvable for a long time. I accept that. It is a mistake to think that we know everything that is important. We know what we know today. Our descendants fifty years ahead, in 2069, will very likely know a great deal more, and perhaps puzzle at our ignorance.

Join the discussion 151 Comments

  • John Stankevicius says:

    Hi Don
    Check put “orbits and ice ages” by Dr Daniel Britt on you tube. It runs for 56 minutes and starts off with an image of the North Pole – no ice but sand rock and trees.

    • Chris Warren says:

      John Stankevicius

      Yes, I think this video is both interesting and germane.

      Britt seems to suggest that global warming started 8,000 years ago with CO2 and 8,000 years ago with methane.

      He also suggests that the natural (pre-human) level was around 260 ppm and that GHGs lifted this to 280 during the pre-industrial age.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yze1YAz_LYM&t=1815

      His chart at 30m 20 sec seems to suggest that insolation (at 65N) will not vary much relative to past fluctuations.

      He also associates past warm-cool cycles with Milancovitch cycles.

      https://youtu.be/Yze1YAz_LYM?t=1687

      It also seems not possible to explain todays rocketing of CO2 with any natural cause as the last 10,000 year have been associated with a cooling trend which should have absorbed CO2 into water from the atmosphere.

      • Boambee John says:

        Chris

        Your alarmist language here and previously, using phrases such as “todays rocketing of CO2” and references to half degree temperature increases every 50 years for ever, does not sit well with the almost laid-back attitude displayed in your proposed response, posted in the election thread:

        “Chris Warren
        April 16, 2019 at 1:54 pm
        Yes

        … with proper population management and some verified carbon capture, then per capita reduction solves the problem at minimal cost and we can take 30 years or so to do it.”

        Should we take drastic measures now, or follow your relaxed 30 year time frame?

        • Chris Warren says:

          Boambee John

          What are alarms for???????

          If you do not see the problem you are not awake.

          • Boambee John says:

            Chris

            So, do you reject the Greens’ demand that Australia cease the use and export of coal by 2030, less than half way into your 30 year time frame? Clearly you think that we have time to respond to the alarm, whereas following the Greens’ timetable seems certain to reduce Australia to the current status of Venezuela.

          • Chris Warren says:

            Boambee John

            All coal ends up in the atmosphere except for some carbon capture.

            I think 10years is long enough for a phase out accompanied with labour market programs. However if the commitment was to phase out somewhat later, say 2035-40, this would be OK provided we are reducing per capita and population growth is not excessive.

            This is a longer period than applied when we eliminated tobacco plantations and we need to boost services exports to maintain our economic position – education exports, health exports, and so on.

            If direct air capture develops sufficiently over the next decades, then this can all be revisited.

          • Boambee John says:

            Chris

            Can you state with absolute confidence that renewabaubles plus our limited hydro will be adequate to operate our economy by 2030, keep the hospitals and schools running, and provide the generation capacity to keep hundreds of thousands of electric vehicles charged? Plus everything else that provides a modern lifestyle?

            Because if we phase out coal by then, there are not many alternatives, particularly as you reject nuclear.

            Phasing out around 80% of our generation capacity in 10 years is a lot different to phasing out the tobacco industry.

  • Bryan Roberts says:

    I picked up Hancock’s book when I was I the US some years ago, and I agree it is fascinating. However, I wonder whether modern societies can possibly appreciate what might be achievable by an enormous workforce willing (or compelled) to work at the dictates of one man. Few of us now can even comprehend the devotion required to spend a hundred years building the Notre Dame cathedral.

  • mark says:

    Hi Don,
    long time lurker. Thank you for your site and thought provoking essays.

    Graham Hancock has written a few books. I find the whole notion of deep pre-history fascinating. As a species we have existed some 250 000 years with the same intelligence and cogitative abilities , yet only approximately 6000 odd years of that time is recorded (?) history. It seems that mainstream science is only just beginning to accept these possibilities. For example, Gobeki Tepi.
    Another interesting and compelling view of a similar nature by Randall Carlson. Well worth the time to investigate:
    http://geocosmicrex.com/
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTRcDAFHjDSh3AV5XdnwmuTA_oYA7B-Gc

    Also a group that seem to support these ideas with some science:
    https://cosmictusk.com/

    There is much to this.

    Mark

  • spangled drongo says:

    Yes Don, It seems reasonably obvious that Egypt got a lot of early assistance from an outside source and it is understandable that they wouldn’t have necessarily revered and preserved that history.

    We in Australia can’t observe much historic climate and weather effect in our weather-worn, relatively flat country but it is none the less obvious that what has happened even relatively recently due to natural occurrences so far outstrips the current “climate change” that half the world is panicking about that it would be extremely funny if proposals to “rectify” weren’t so silly and financially crippling.

    “Our descendants fifty years ahead, in 2069, will very likely know a great deal more, and perhaps puzzle at our ignorance.”

    Our grandchildren do already, Don. That’s why they hold climate and vegan strikes.

    • Bryan Roberts says:

      “It seems reasonably obvious that Egypt got a lot of early assistance from an outside source”

      I don’t subscribe to the view that people in those times were any less able or inventive than in our own, though I will admit that they may have been more susceptible to political or religious pressure. The Piri Reis map may be pretty right, but there is no reason to believe that people could not have got into those areas. See Tim Severin’s account of the Brendan Voyage.

      • spangled drongo says:

        The Egyptians failed to retain their world leading knowledge which goes against the usual process of evolution and suggests that it may have come from other quarters.

        But maybe when a certain religion of peace took over, as with Persia and many Middle East kingdoms, it had a similar mind-numbing effect.

      • spangled drongo says:

        Yes Bryan, the middle earth intellect and ability of those days was absolutely brilliant and quite capable of amazing feats.

        The Greeks, Romans and Semites were outstanding and probably quite capable of producing those Egyptian wonders.

  • Aert Driessen says:

    Fascinating piece Don, thank you, and coming at the right time of the year. Four days of no appointments etc to soak it up and chase loose ends.

  • Ian MacCulloch says:

    This is most interesting paper (see link) on sea level changes published in 2014. It is quiet comprehensive though in conclusion viii there are some most interesting sea level change rates. – A period of sea-level rise from ?14 to ?12.5 ka BP of ?20 m in 1,500 y. The rate of rise is near the long-term average. Data are relatively dense in this interval and come from well-distributed sites (Barbados, Tahiti, Sunda, Huon Peninsula, Australia and New Zealand, Indian Ocean, and the Yellow and East China seas).

    https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/111/43/15296.full.pdf

    It should be able to put Mr Hancock’s assertions into some perspective

  • Bryan Roberts says:

    “But maybe when a certain religion of peace took over”, it all turned into climate change.

  • mark says:

    Hi Don,
    long time lurker. Thank you for your site and thought provoking essays.

    Graham Hancock has written a few books. I find the whole notion of deep pre-history fascinating. As a species we have existed some 250 000 years with the same intelligence and cogitative abilities , yet only approximately 6000 odd years of that time is recorded (?) history. It seems that mainstream science is only just beginning to accept these possibilities. For example, Gobeki Tepi.
    Another interesting and compelling view of a similar nature by Randall Carlson. Well worth the time to investigate:
    http://geocosmicrex.com/
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTRcDAFHjDSh3AV5XdnwmuTA_oYA7B-Gc

    Also a group that seem to support these ideas with some science:
    https://cosmictusk.com/

    There is much to this.

    Mark

  • Neville says:

    BJ forget about Chris and his silly nonsense, but use simple logic and reason. If co2 is a problem you would go after the countries emitting 90%+ of the increase in emissions over the last few decades.
    Those countries are China, India and the non OECD, not the developed OECD, like OZ and our tiny 1.2% of global emissions.
    BTW Alberta Canada elections have just seen a landslide to the Conservatives and hopefully this will see Trudeau ousted after their next fed election. They’ve won by fighting hard against any co2 taxes and all the clueless posturing by the left wing extremists. See link.

    https://www.thegwpf.com/red-greens-defeated-carbon-tax-to-be-scrapped-as-conservatives-win-alberta-elections/

    • Chris Warren says:

      Neville

      In order to engage with other nations effectively – we need to show that we have our own house in order.

      The developed world has the resources to be “first movers” and set a standard. OECD economies only developed by GHG emissions in the past, so there is no moral license to pretend that the only consideration is emissions from now on.

      Denialists are using the emissions from developing nations as a cover for protecting fossil fuel profits within the developed world.

      • Neville says:

        Just more silly nonsense from Chris. In fact OZ is probably a very large net co2 sink as this article explains. Perhaps we should be seeking payments for our good work.
        Willis covered this as well some time ago using the latest satellite biosphere mapping around the world. If we add in OZ external territories like parts of the COLD southern ocean and large part of Antarctica the net sink is even further enhanced.
        http://onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=12327

        • spangled drongo says:

          Neville, new age socialists like our blith don’t wish to know the facts in their striving for totalitarianism and destruction of the capitalist system.

          Capitalism is all about selfishness and our blith only wants to share everything equally.

          This tiny bit of global warming is the New Age Socialists’ big chance to rectify their mistakes of last century when they had to kill so many millions in order to share everything equally.

          Our blith fails to be aware that his type of thinking denies the reality of man’s selfishness and is contradictory to the idea of freedom.

          This is why socialism has to be enforced by law and also why it has always failed.

          But we have demonstrated many times how our blith is not one to live in the real world and we should not expect much better from him.

          Sometimes I do see signs of improvement but then his ideology and belief always come to the fore and over ride his logic.

      • Boambee John says:

        Chris

        “In order to engage with other nations effectively – we need to show that we have our own house in order.”

        If you seriously believe that China or India are just waiting for Australia to lead the way, I have a bridge to sell you.

        They are quite happy to watch us destroy our industrial base, so that they can increase their exports to us, but they have absolutely no intention of doing the same to their own industrial base.

      • spangled drongo says:

        “In order to engage with other nations effectively – we need to show that we have our own house in order.”

        When blith never puts his head out the window maybe it’s only the “inside” that counts:

        http://joannenova.com.au/2019/04/australia-to-pay-25b-to-foreigners-so-we-get-better-weather/

    • spangled drongo says:

      Yes Neville, wonderful news about Alberta.

      They have sent a message to the world about global warming.

  • Neville says:

    Here’s that post from Willis showing OZ to be the third largest co2 sequestering country on the planet. But if you also added our cold territories we would be number one.

    This data comes from the Japanese Ibuki satellite. Nice clear graphics from Willis. So where are our reparations cheques and why aren’t we building new coal power stations? We’ve earned it.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/07/05/the-revenge-of-the-climate-reparations/

    • Chris Warren says:

      Neville

      You do realise that the excess flux from the map of 0.26 gm/per day/per m2 equates to around 4.75 GT C per year.

      This has increased since then to around 5 GT C or around 18 GT CO2.

      Others have shown the flux imbalance average from 2008-17 was 17.3 GT CO2 per year.

      It is global warming NOT Australian warming.

      Cherry-picking Australia is a denialist tactic.

      • Chris Warren says:

        0.26 is .026

        • Boambee John says:

          Chris

          “Cherry-picking Australia is a denialist tactic.”

          And yet, you routinely “cherry-pick” Australia to lead the world in responding to Goebbels Worming. Denialist? Denying that the solution to the problem (if there is a problem) is with the big emitters who are increasing their emissions.

  • Neville says:

    This 2019 GOSAT data shows a map with Co2 emissions shown by colour. The NH is much higher than the SH and OZ and NZ are in the box seat again. So where’s our money for being the world sequestration champs?

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/03/27/the-wmo-world-data-centre-for-greenhouse-gases-begins-provision-of-data-from-the-gosat/

    • spangled drongo says:

      Neville, instead of us having to buy carbon credits as BS suggests, the world should be paying us for ours.

      • Neville says:

        SD that’s true and just think of the jobs our bosses could provide, plus the hospitals, schools, cancer research, better roads, better rail etc we could have if we didn’t waste 25 bn $ on silly scraps of paper for their fra-dulent so called carbon credit con.
        But don’t worry the cultists will always truly believe these BS merchants and always ignore proper data and evidence. Silly religious dogma wins them over every time.

  • mark says:

    Hi Don,
    long time lurker. Thank you for your site and thought provoking essays.

    Graham Hancock has written a few books. I find the whole notion of deep pre-history fascinating. As a species we have existed some 250 000 odd years with the same intelligence and cogitative abilities , yet only approximately 6000 odd years of that time is recorded (?) history. It seems that mainstream science is only just beginning to accept these possibilities. For example, Gobeki Tepi.
    Another interesting and compelling view of a similar nature by Randall Carlson. Well worth the time to investigate:
    http://geocosmicrex.com/
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTRcDAFHjDSh3AV5XdnwmuTA_oYA7B-Gc

    There is much to this.

    Also a group that supports the catastrophic end to the last ice age with some science:
    https://cosmictusk.com/

    It helps to put the breathless panic over small climate variations in recent times into perspective.

    Mark

  • Neville says:

    Perhaps we should link to this comment from Chief scientist Dr Finkel every day of every week, just so the religious fanatics can’t escape the proper science and evidence of their so called CAGW?
    Yet stupid BS Bill Shorten wants to waste 100s of billions $ on this fra-dulent con for a guaranteed rolled gold zero change for the climate by 2100 and way beyond as well.
    Thanks again to Andrew Bolt for his comments and providing the link. This should be shown to every school kid in OZ and silly fools like BS Bill and clueless Tania Plibersek.

  • Neville says:

    More proof that the Climate change movement really is a cult. They tick EVERY box, or a perfect score of 10 out of 10. Big surprise, NOT.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/04/18/is-the-climate-change-movement-a-cult/

  • Neville says:

    Bjorn Lomborg explains why Trump was correct to leave the Paris agreement. Fairly simple to point out that wasting 100 TRILLION dollars on this lunacy might only reduce warming by SFA.

  • spangled drongo says:

    You have to admit that Trump is only behaving like a rational sceptic.

    We go from this:

    https://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Screen-Shot-2017-03-31-at-8.01.57-PM-down.gif

    To this:

    https://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/2017_06_30_09_29_46.gif

    In only 15 years of the best that c?l?i?m?a?t?e? ?s?c?i?e?n?c?e? enuresis has to offer.

    The things wicked humans can do to our lovely planet in only 15 years.

  • Neville says:

    The latest 2019 study of Duvat et al shows that coral island states are doing well from their so called AGW SLR. This agrees with the latest studies from Kench etc and many other recent studies available at the link.

    http://www.co2science.org/articles/V22/feb/a9.php

    • spangled drongo says:

      Very interesting, Neville. Good empirical evidence.

      Is this [from that paper] just a polite way of saying that cli-sci SLR is little more than BS?

      “therefore, it seems obvious that model-based predictions of rapidly rising sea levels due to anthropogenic global warming are not presently having, nor will they likely have in the future, any negative impact on atoll island stability.”

  • spangled drongo says:

    While some scientists are rational sceptics [true scientists] others are true believers:

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2019/03/one-part-of-greenland-ice-growing/

  • spangled drongo says:

    Attenbollocks describes it well.

    High on emotion but low on facts:

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/04/19/friday-funny-attenbollocks/

  • Neville says:

    Climate modelers are waiting for temps to catch up to their wild predictions. Little wonder that they’ve recently adjusted down earlier temp data-sets and also adjusted up the more recent part of the same temp record.
    See the UP, DOWN adjustment of the IPCC preferred HAD Crut 4 data after Jones’s 2010 BBC Q&A interview. In 2010 there was no stat difference in the 4 warming trends, but a short time afterwards the con merchants changed the data.
    So how long before we see even further adjustments to help their so called CAGW?

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/04/20/climate-modellers-waiting-for-observations-to-catch-up-with-their-predictions/

  • Neville says:

    Steve McIntyre forced the retraction of the first Gergis study in 2013. Amazing that the second Gergis 2017 still fudged the data and the most important ( and COOL) Law Dome data-set was left out AGAIN.
    Steve has tried to get access to all their data-bases but so far they have refused his requests. But we know that Antarctica today is cooler than 1 to 2 thousands years BP and much cooler than the earlier Holocene optimum.
    Also the Antarctic peninsula has been cooling since 1998, as shown by Turner et al and other studies. The UAH V 6 Sat data also shows no SP warming since DEC 1979.

    https://climateaudit.org/2017/11/20/new-antarctic-temperature-reconstruction/

    • spangled drongo says:

      Thanks Neville.

      Steve demonstrates the “fakery at the bakery” beautifully.

      It is very interesting that Law Dome data which shows similarity of the LIA in both hemispheres has been conveniently ignored.

      Ah! Selective cli-sci!

      The greatest cherry-pickers of all.

  • Neville says:

    Here again is that Duvat 2019 study of coral atoll islands. This is a link directly to the study. and note the graph showing the horizontal axis hectare size of the islands.

    Once you get above about 5 to 10 hectares the islands are in the safe, stable zone area, or have increased in size.

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/wcc.557

  • Neville says:

    Germany is heading for disaster and only a few people are willing to speak out. Just read what this energy expert predicts for their future as they increasingly rely on the fra-d of S&W energy.
    And this country has been applauded around the world for their changeover to clueless S&W energy. Shorten’s Labor and Greens are favoured to win in May and will happily send us headlong down this disastrous path as well and with the same result.
    Yet we have a majority of voters who endorse the fra-dulent S&W disaster and think that we should close our coal mines and rely on 45% ( Labor) to 100% ( Greens) renewables.

    https://www.thegwpf.com/no-more-electricity-for-germany/

    • Chris Warren says:

      What a shocking alarmist.

      • spangled drongo says:

        Please explain blith, how this Prof. Schwarz is an alarmist when he is an expert in this field:

        In spite of the 120 gigawatts of photovoltaic and wind power plants that have been installed in Germany, Professor Harald Schwarz, Chair of Energy Distribution and High Voltage Technology at the BTU Cottbus-Senftenberg, says; “The guaranteed output of PV is nevertheless 0%; for onshore wind it is only 1% and for offshore wind it’s 2%. In plain language, the 120 GW of renewables that we have built up over the last 15 years make almost no contribution to the secured output. We will never build a secure power supply with wind and PV alone.”

        He is simply trying to tell Angela something she just doesn’t want to hear.

        And we need to listen too because we are doing exactly the same.

      • Boambee John says:

        Chris

        Don’t be a denialist! Look at the facts, renewabaubles alone can never provide the reliable, 24/7/365 power necessary to operate a modern economy. Batteries might help, but there is a reason SA has lots of diesel generators on standby.

        Up thread, you talk about a service economy, including health and education exports. That is unlikely to work if reliable power is not available to keep hospitals working comtinuously, and schools and universities during their working hours.

    • spangled drongo says:

      “the stupidest energy policy in the world”.

      Yes Neville, Australia will be in a similar position if Labor get in and imagine trying to recharge all those EVs at night with only 1 or 2% of the grid power available.

      Big rubber bands would be a better proposition.

  • Neville says:

    Here is a Bolt editorial from last week, condemning the Shorten donkey for his ignorance or deceit about so much of their CAGW nonsense. He covers a lot of ground here and he has the data to back it up.

    https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6027528474001

    • Chris Warren says:

      Science Trumps Bolt

    • Boambee John says:

      Compare the pair:

      “Chris Warren
      April 18, 2019 at 10:43 am
      Boambee John

      What are alarms for???????

      If you do not see the problem you are not awake.”

      “Chris Warren
      April 22, 2019 at 5:20 pm
      What a shocking alarmist.”

      The latter post refers to Neville’s comment about the German experience.

      It seems that we should be alarmed when Chris says so, and not when someone else suggests that all is not rosy in renewabaubles world. Anyone who does not see the problem with the German experience is not awake!

  • Neville says:

    While the cultists and religious fanatics disagree, we have a lot to be thankful for in 2019. Here’s a list of some of the predictions from the first Earth day in 1970.
    They couldn’t have been more wrong and the free enterprise system and scientific progress, technology etc have won the day. Rosling, Ridley, Lomborg, Goklany, Bolt etc have covered this many times and this link gives us a quick summary of the past half century. What a wonderful time to be alive.

    https://www.thegwpf.com/on-earth-day-none-of-its-gloomy-predictions-have-come-to-pass/

  • Neville says:

    Has Netflix and David Attenborough fallen off a cliff with the flying Walruses? Another top post from Jo Nova.

  • spangled drongo says:

    More corrupt blith-sci coming up:

    Geology is a key science to help our understanding of earth’s past climate. Yet, once again, the corrupt UN IPCC will deliver another biased report in 2022 that excludes ANY geologists.

    Geologist, Dr Roger Higgs exposes the reasons for this shameful omission in his paper ‘IPCC Intergovernmental Panel On Climate Change next report (AR6, due 2022) ? 784 authors, yes 784, but again NO geologists!‘

    https://principia-scientific.org/what-gives-un-climate-report-due-2022-excludes-geologists/

  • spangled drongo says:

    Electric vehicles emit 11% to 28% more CO2 than diesel ones, German study shows.

    The German researchers therefore take issue with the fact that European officials view electric vehicles as zero-emission:

    http://brusselstimes.com/business/technology/15050/electric-vehicles-emit-more-co2-than-diesel-ones,-german-study-shows

  • Peter E says:

    … and there are unknown unknowns.

  • Neville says:

    Why would anyone be in favour of wasting 100 trillion S for a guaranteed zero return on the so called investment? Here’s Lomborg’s more detailed look at Hansen’s NON BINDING Paris BS & fra-d agreement.
    Don’t forget that this will also produce no measurable change to temp or climate ( see RS & NAS report) by 2100 and beyond.

  • Neville says:

    We’ve all watched the turmoil on London streets as the morons have fought police over their so called concerns about their CAGW fantasy.
    Today China emits more co2 per capita than the UK and yet I’ve never heard this mentioned in the MSM at all? In fact 2 tonnes more per year, per capita.
    Just more data that proves that China and the developing world are a lot more important in this crusade than most people understand.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions

  • Chris Warren says:

    Neville

    “moron” and “fantasy” will be your epitaph.

  • Neville says:

    More disastrous S&W outcomes, this time in the USA. Why would any country inflict all this pain for no gain on their economy and make it far more difficult to employ people into the future?
    Just look at the horrendous cost and of course no change to temp by 2040 or 2100 and beyond. This level of stupidity has to be seen to be believed.

    http://joannenova.com.au/2019/04/renewables-staggeringly-high-125b-cost-to-us-electricity-consumers/#more-63775

    • Chris Warren says:

      More alarmism from Neville.

      This level of stupidity has to be seen to be believed.

      • spangled drongo says:

        More superficial blither from the biltherer-in-chief.

        If you want to refute, blith, try supplying evidence.

        Oh, hang on, I forgot!

        The next time our blith supplies empirical evidence will be the first.

      • Boambee John says:

        Chris

        You wrote “More alarmism from Neville.”

        Yet earlier you wrote

        “Chris Warren
        April 18, 2019 at 10:43 am
        Boambee John

        What are alarms for???????

        If you do not see the problem you are not awake.”

        Are we to take notice of alarms, or ignore them?

        Asking for a friend.

  • Neville says:

    Here AGAIN is the IEA pie graph for US TOTAL energy in 2015 showing GEO + S&W to be just 1.4%. S&W alone would be under 1% in 2015 and coal is 17.1%. OTOH coal in China generates about 66.7% of TOTAL energy in the IEA data for 2015.

    https://www.iea.org/stats/WebGraphs/USA4.pdf

  • Neville says:

    More weather porn by US MSM and this time covers the state of Texas. But the long term data doesn’t support their case. Slightly increasing rainfall trend over the last century, but once again data/evidence isn’t their strong point.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/04/25/weather-porn-about-texas-a-lesson-for-earth-day-2019/

  • Neville says:

    I was recently challenged about OZ droughts and used the BOM data to prove my point. This youngish group insisted that OZ droughts were much worse today and I was just “ignorant to deny these facts.”
    I’d like to say that they apologised to me, but they didn’t. But I advised them to talk about the real world in the future and not to rely on silly fairy tales. Funny that they didn’t seem to like the real world at all.
    Here’s the BOM data showing more rainfall after 1972. Much drier from 1895 to 1972, including mill drought.

    http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/climate/change/timeseries.cgi?graph=rranom&area=aus&season=0112&ave_yr=8

  • Neville says:

    Sorry above finish should say “including FED drought” not Mill.

  • spangled drongo says:

    Something to bear in mind for the election:

    Ecclesiastes
    10:2 (NIV) Also, Matthew 25:33 . . . He will put the sheep on his
    right and the goats on his left. Thus sayeth the Lord. Amen.

  • Neville says:

    Read about this blokes horror trip from Sydney to Canberra and back in the new Jaguar EV, that costs between 119,000 $ to 159,000 $.
    Charge times are a complete fiction and so is the klms estimate of your trip. Allow 40 to 50 hours to charge in your garage and about 40 minutes to charge on the best fast charger. What a joke, what a fra-d. Shorten should use one of these disasters during the election campaign.
    When will the voters wake up to these Labor /Greens con merchants?

    https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-reviews/jaguar-i-pace-se-73253

  • spangled drongo says:

    Greenpeace founder v AOC.

    Green New Deal?

    No deal!

    • Neville says:

      Great video SD, but how could anyone take the AOC donkey seriously? Patrick Moore is one of the best and understands the earth’s biosphere + history better than anyone.
      BTW what did you think about the Jaguar EV story above? What a nightmare trip and what happens when you want to tow a trailer or caravan? Oh and the Jag costs range from ONLY $119,000 to $ 159,000. Gawwwrrrd help us after the 18th of May.

      • spangled drongo says:

        Yes, it’s great to get someone’s first hand experience, Neville.

        I have a neighbour who raves about his little EV that hasn’t got enough range to get him to the city without staying overnight along the 85klm way. It’s only good for driving to the local shop.

        Hopefully there are enough people who appreciate BS’s stupidity well enough to tell him in no uncertain terms.

  • Neville says:

    Another bonus from the use of lithium ion batteries, they can explode and burn down your house. This electric bike battery is about 100 times smaller than a EV battery or the battery back up for your home solar system.
    You certainly wouldn’t want to be asleep when one of these much larger EV batteries exploded.
    Perhaps we’ll all have to charge our vehicles in the street overnight? What could go wrong? I wonder whether the Shorten donkey would charge his EV overnight ( garage) in his family home?

    https://www.smh.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/an-orange-flash-then-melanie-s-house-burnt-down-20190426-p51hj2.html?btis

  • spangled drongo says:

    Some real climate change facts:

    Testimony of Caleb S. Rossiter, Ph.D.
    before the Subcommittee on the Environment
    of the House Committee on Oversight and Reform,
    April 30, 2019.

    https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO28/20190430/109352/HHRG-116-GO28-Wstate-RossiterC-20190430-U1.pdf

    Background here:

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/05/01/skeptical-scientist-hijacks-aoc-congressional-climate-hearing/

  • Neville says:

    Are Aussies really the terrible exploiters as the Labor and Greens liars repeatedly claim? Just check the per capita reduction graph in our co2 emissions in this Jo Nova article. In reality two graph lines.

    In fact one graph is per capita ( top line) and the bottom line is the reduction despite a rise in wealth or GDP. Both graphs show a downward trend and as we’ve become wealthier we’ve also managed to reduce emissions substantially.

    Don’t forget our population in 1990 was just 17 million and today is over 25 million, or an increase of nearly 50% in just 28 years. Of course OZ absorbs more co2 than we emit and with our EE Zones that net sequestration increases by a large factor. So where are our reparation cheques from the rest of the world?

    http://joannenova.com.au/2019/05/climate-council-accused-of-false-climate-claims-and-fake-censorship/

    • Chris Warren says:

      Neville

      Yet again you have been misled by a denialist website.

      If you go to the actual source, you find:

      Emissions for the year to September 2018 are estimated to be 536 Mt CO2-e, up 0.9 per cent (4.6 Mt CO2-e) on the previous year, primarily due to increased LNG exports (19.7 per cent).

      Only corrupt fools cite the “rate per capita”, and “rate per GDP” – WITHOUT having the honesty to give the final result after adjusting for both growth in population and growth in GDP. Emissions INCREASE each year.

      Nova and co. need their useful idiots to continually spread this “la connerie” even to the point of utter boredom.

      • Neville says:

        What I said was correct, so stop your stupid claims. Per capita and also in relation to the wealth that is generated from our emissions the trend is down .
        And Jo Nova plus her husband know a lot more about our co2 emissions than you. They became sceptics because of David’s work at the OZ Greenhouse office during the lead up to Kyoto.
        Also our pop is nearly 50% higher than it was in 1990. But please tell us how the world can reduce emissions and reduce temp and co2 levels? Have you looked at the developing world data lately? OH and was Dr Finkel lying when he gave his evidence to the Senate?

        • Chris Warren says:

          Neville

          You just repeated your confusion.

          It does not matter if CO2 per capita goes down if the population increases further.

          It does not matter if CO2 per GDP goes down if GDP increases further.

          Any school-kid will understand this.

          You have tunnel vision and there seems to be no light at the end of your denialist tunnel.

          • Boambee John says:

            Chris

            “It does not matter if CO2 per GDP goes down if GDP increases further.”

            So, do you condemn China’s approach, to reduce carbon intensity while keeping its economy growing?

          • Chris Warren says:

            Boambee John

            You have presented a good example of denialist fakery and corruption.

            Everyone should go back and read the original.

            What qualification or condition was placed on the original statement, that our denialist deliberately omitted????

            Denialists are fake and they corrupt science.

          • Boambee John says:

            Chris

            I did read the original, but you continue to deny reality. If you are serious in for example, your statement that “It does not matter if CO2 per capita goes down if the population increases further”, then you would actively campaign for a massive reduction in Australia’s immigration program.

            What do we hear from you on that subject? Crickets!

            How is it “fakery and corruption” to draw your attention to the construction of power plants in China and india, and to China’s announced intention to decrease the carbon intensity of their economy, but to continue to increase their carbon emissions?

            You deny the reality of massive construction of new coal fired power stations by China and India, you are the biggest denialist on this blog.

          • Chris Warren says:

            Boambee John

            More lies and fakery.

            I have NEVER mentioned India or China.

            What utter madness – it is all in your head.

          • Boambee John says:

            Chris

            You have NEVER mentioned India or China? You have an interesting definition of “never”.

            “Chris Warren
            May 5, 2019 at 9:54 pm
            Good news for mankind – no new coal power stations in India by Tata.”

            Not sure what is in your head, but it does not seem to include a memory!

  • spangled drongo says:

    And Neville, here’s a new study from the Energy Policy Institute at the U of Chicago shows that Renewable Mandates are a costly failure:

    Abstract

    Renewable Portfolio Standards (RPS) are the largest and perhaps most popular climate policy in

    the US, having been enacted by 29 states and the District of Columbia. Using the most comprehensive

    panel data set ever compiled on program characteristics and key outcomes, we compare

    states that did and did not adopt RPS policies, exploiting the substantial di?erences in timing

    of adoption. The estimates indicate that 7 years after passage of an RPS program, the required

    renewable share of generation is 1.8 percentage points higher and average retail electricity prices

    are 1.3 cents per kWh, or 11% higher; the comparable figures for 12 years after adoption are a 4.2

    percentage point increase in renewables’ share and a price increase of 2.0 cents per kWh or 17%.

    These cost estimates significantly exceed the marginal operational costs of renewables and likely

    reflect costs that renewables impose on the generation system, including those associated with their

    intermittency, higher transmission costs, and any stranded asset costs assigned to ratepayers. The

    estimated reduction in carbon emissions is imprecise, but, together with the price results, indicates

    that the cost per metric ton of CO2 abated exceeds $130 in all specifications and ranges up to

    $460, making it least several times larger than conventional estimates of the social cost of carbon.

    These results do not rule out the possibility that RPS policies could dynamically reduce the cost

    of abatement in the future by causing improvements in renewable technology.1

    https://bfi.uchicago.edu/wp-content/uploads/BFIEPIC_WP_201962_v3.pdf

    • Neville says:

      SD thanks for reminding me to read that article from the Uni of Chicago. What a fra-dulent load of twaddle these con merchants are selling to the voters and it wastes endless billions $ and doesn’t change the temp or climate at all.

      Here’s more of the real story that China is building another 300 coal fired stns around the developing world while we in OZ have to suffer the consequences of more waste and clueless unreliability of the fra-dulent S&Wind disasters.
      But when will the MSM call out Labor and the Greens for their lies about their so called CAGW?

      https://www.thegwpf.com/china-building-300-new-coal-power-plants-around-the-world/

      • spangled drongo says:

        Neville, so that makes ~ 1,000 coal plants when you include their own constructions at home.

        And our home grown stupids are in complete denial of where our current policies are going to leave us.

        BTW, I loved that consensual “collegiate” bit at the end of that UChi paper abstract: “These results do not rule out the possibility that RPS policies could dynamically reduce the cost of abatement in the future by causing improvements in renewable technology”.

        Gotta do something to stop your house from being egged:

        http://joannenova.com.au/2019/05/global-bullies-strike-again-economist-dr-fishers-house-egged-by-climate-activist/

        • Neville says:

          Yes SD, but Dr Fisher was okay when he worked on Labor modelling, but now they hate his guts because he’s called out Labor’s $ 500+ billion hit to our economy.
          But why are the Labor and Green thugs always so violent ? Just look at what they’ve done in Abbott’s electorate in support of Steggall. Get Up and their thugs are the scum of the earth.

          • spangled drongo says:

            Exactly, Neville, any intelligent academic who isn’t a watermelon and tries to be honest and factual cops it from the climate crisis bullies.

            Let’s hope the people can see through this thuggery and vote accordingly.

  • Neville says:

    The Christian Dems in Germany will no longer support the introduction of a co2 tax. More good news for them while here in OZ the Labor loonies want to further burden us with up to 500+ billion $ extra cost on the economy to somehow “fight climate change”?
    Just more verifiable fra-d and deception from the Labor and Green con merchants. But will our hopeless media call them out?

    https://www.thegwpf.com/dead-and-buried-german-conservatives-abandon-carbon-tax-plan/

  • Neville says:

    Sweden is heading into power problems because of their pursuit of idiotic so called renewable energy. Just look at that stupid photo of a helicopter assisted heat gun + operator to try and reduce ice forming on wind generator blades.

    Fancy turning off nuclear generators to use these fra-dulent monstrosities. Barking mad doesn’t even begin to describe it.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/05/04/swedish-power-shortages-looming-because-of-their-renewable-energy-push/

    Here again is the Swedish pie chart for 2015 from the IEA. BTW Sweden only emits about 0.1% of global co2 emissions.

    https://www.iea.org/stats/WebGraphs/SWEDEN4.pdf

  • Neville says:

    Even Dr Hansen thinks the AOC new deal is nonsense. Between Beto and AOC the clueless Dems are looking like a delusional mob of hucksters at best.

    https://judithcurry.com/2019/04/29/betos-climate-action-plan/

  • Neville says:

    New data proves that subsidies paid to EV buyers are ridiculous. Most payments go to the very rich and the vehicles sold are still much more expensive than ICE vehicles.
    And of course ZERO change to climate or temp at all. Why can’t these ignorant govts understand very simple sums and very simple science?
    Of course the Shorten donkey will happily repeat this idiocy here in OZ and waste endless billions $ for a similar result.

    https://www.thegwpf.com/subsidising-electric-cars-is-perverse/

  • Neville says:

    Lord Lawson explains why the the UK’s zero co2 mania is just so much hot air. And their late govt Chief scientist ( last interview) agreed.
    Why can’t we find genuine and sane people to run govts around the world? Let’s face it the maths and science couldn’t be easier to understand.
    So why do they stumble at every opportunity?

    https://www.thegwpf.com/dominic-lawson-the-zero-carbon-mania-is-just-so-much-hot-air/

  • Neville says:

    Lomborg recently explained how even tiny NZ wouldn’t ever meet their very early promises about co2 reduction.
    Just follow through the maths to understand that this is virtually mission impossible and just about every country will find themselves in the same position.
    No wonder Dr Hansen called Paris COP 21 just BS and fra-d. But how long before the majority of people wake up to these facts?
    And forget about the fake co2 credits from very dubious countries like Russia etc. What a con, what a fra-d and yet the religious dummies line up to be conned on a regular basis.

    https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/climate-change-undeliverable-emissions-targets-by-bjorn-lomborg-2019-02

  • Neville says:

    More fra-d and con tricks from the BOM, this time from WA. That 15 c adjustment must be a world record.

    http://joannenova.com.au/2019/05/albany-robbed-of-its-coldest-ever-april-day-bom-adjusts-temp-up-15-degrees-c/#comments

  • Chris Warren says:

    Good news for mankind – no new coal power stations in India by Tata.

    http://ieefa.org/ieefa-report-tata-power-exemplifying-the-indian-energy-transition/

    This probably means a sharp reduction in market for Adani coal exports – more good news.

  • spangled drongo says:

    “no new coal power stations in India by Tata.”

    How about; when India and China have finished their current 1,000 or so planned coal plants by 2030 they won’t need any more for a while.

    Stop fooling yourself, blith.

    • Boambee John says:

      Chris is the greatest denialist on this blog. He denies anything that contradicts his religious world view. He denies that hundreds of coal powered generation stations are being constructed around the world. He denies that those new stations will need fuel. He denies that Australia will help to provide that fuel.

  • Neville says:

    Just for “no data/evidence Chris,” to try and help him understand. Yes I know it’s a lost cause, but some loons require a lot of help.

    FF’s and BIO +waste generate about 97% of TOTAL energy for India and GEO + S&W just 0.6%. Wake up and look at the real world, NOT your silly fantasy planet.
    Fair dinkum why do we bother, some people just never seem to wake up?
    My Dad warned me about religious fanatics a long time ago, but alas these fools just keep on keeping on.

    https://www.iea.org/stats/WebGraphs/INDIA4.pdf

  • Neville says:

    While I’m in the mood let’s look again at super emitter China. This country emits about 94% of their TOTAL energy from FFs + BIO+ waste and just 1.6% from GEO + S&W.

    And China emits 66.7% of their TOTAL energy from COAL.

    https://www.iea.org/stats/WebGraphs/CHINA4.pdf

    Meanwhile the amusing hero of the world emits about 88.3% from FFs+ BIO+waste and a whopping 3.5% from GEO + S&W. So after decades of trying this is the best they can do? And at a cost of 100s of billions $ to their economy for ZIP return. Notice they still generate 25.5% from COAL while the hated USA emits just 17.1% and much cleaner coal as well.

    Now I must apologize for reporting on our REAL planet stats, I know how the believers report and love their fantasy world.

    https://www.iea.org/stats/WebGraphs/GERMANY4.pdf

  • Neville says:

    Sorry too many emits instead of generates above, but you get the picture. Just heaps of things on too big a plate this morning.

  • Neville says:

    More on the Marxist agenda of these left wing extremists. Just another lazy 6 trillion S required and most to come from the good old US of A. Oh and nothing from China, India etc, they’re free to emit as much co2 as they like.
    And no change to climate or temp by 2100 and beyond. Don’t they just love their BS and fra-d?

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/05/05/imf-demands-a-global-carbon-pricing-cartel-to-meet-6-trillion-year-climate-infrastructure-spend/

  • Neville says:

    Here are 10 quotes from Einstein. Number 9 is the best and applies to Dr Hansen’s Paris COP 21 BS and fra-d. Here’s his no 9— •” Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/9176616/Albert-Einstein-10-of-his-best-quotes.html
    Albert Einstein: 10 of his best quotes
    Albert Einstein’s theory about how fast the universe is expanding has been proved correct by British scientists who praised his “incredible accuracy”. He was known for words and phrases and here are 10 of his best quotes.

    6:00PM BST 30 Mar 2012

    • A person who never made a mistake never tried anything new.

    • Intellectuals solve problems; geniuses prevent them.

    • Science is a wonderful thing if one does not have to earn one’s living at it.

    • The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax.

    • I am convinced that He (God) does not play dice.
    Related Articles

    Einstein was right, study shows 30 Mar 2012

    Einstein proved correct on view of the universe 30 Mar 2012

    • Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.

    The German-born physicist (Picture: AP)

    • I never think of the future. It comes soon enough.

    • The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education.

    • Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.

    • I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.

    Source: Science Channel
    Science News

  • Neville says:

    A new study of Antarctica shows more ice over the 20th century compared to the 19th century. Period of study is 1800 to 2010.

    Here’s the link and abstract.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/05/06/a-new-200%E2%80%90year-spatial-reconstruction-of-west-antarctic-surface-mass-balance/
    Abstract

    “High?spatial resolution surface mass balance (SMB) over the West Antarctic Ice Sheet (WAIS) spanning 1800?2010 is reconstructed by means of ice core records combined with the outputs of the European Centre for Medium?range Weather Forecasts “Interim” reanalysis (ERA?Interim) and the latest polar version of the Regional Atmospheric Climate Model (RACMO2.3p2). The reconstruction reveals a significant negative trend (?1.9 ± 2.2 Gt yr?1 decade?1) in the SMB over the entire WAIS during the 19th century, but a statistically significant positive trend of 5.4 ± 2.9 Gt yr?1 decade?1 between 1900 and 2010, in contrast to insignificant WAIS SMB changes during the 20th century reported earlier. At regional scales, the Antarctic Peninsula (AP) and western WAIS show opposite SMB trends, with different signs in the 19th and 20th centuries. The annual resolution reconstruction allows us to examine the relationships between SMB and large?scale atmospheric oscillations. Although SMB over the AP and western WAIS correlates significantly with the Southern Annular Mode (SAM) due to the influence of the Amundsen Sea Low (ASL) and El Niño/Southern Oscillation (ENSO) during 1800?2010, the significant correlations are temporally unstable, associated with the phase of SAM, ENSO and the Pacific decadal oscillation (PDO). In addition, the two climate modes seem to contribute little to variability in SMB over the whole WAIS on decadal?centennial time scales. This new reconstruction also serves to identify unreliable precipitation trends in ERA?Interim, and thus has potential for assessing the skill of other reanalyses or climate models to capture precipitation trends and variability”.

    • Neville says:

      Yes SD, Emma has been one of the greatest CAGW HIPPOS for years, much like Gore, Branson, Flannery, Di Capprio, McKibben etc. Far too many to list here. They all love their super rich lifestyle.
      BTW that new Antarctic study is a real bummer for these fools, a real inconvenient truth, but silly Gore won’t want to talk about it this time.

  • Neville says:

    Their ABC and Fran Kelly continue to preach BS and nonsense about their so called dangerous SLR. Bolt calls them out AGAIN and provides the link about the REAL planet earth AGAIN.
    So why are these religious fanatics incapable of understanding simple maths and science? Not just once but again and again? Can’t their ABC hire better presenters and why shouldn’t they suffer heavy funding cuts?

    https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/fran-kelly-pushes-fake-news-on-drowning-kiribati/news-story/d192c302df717f6d29379fabc7fec4b3

  • Neville says:

    It’s interesting to look back after 34 years to the Ethiopian famine and the Live aid concert in 1985.
    In 1985 the pop of Ethiopia was 40.8 mil and today is 109.7 mil or about 2.7 times higher.
    Hundreds of thousands of people died from about 1984 through 1985 as the world tried to send in more and more food. As always the hated USA led the charge.
    Yet today we are told that we only have a very short time left for the human race to fix or mitigate our coming so called CAGW. Some think we only have 12 years before the apocalypse.
    I think the above numbers tell us just how far the world has improved since 1985 and today everyone enjoys a much longer, healthier, wealthier life. Even the people of Ethiopia.

    https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ethiopia-population/

  • Neville says:

    I should have given the data for Ethiopian life expectancy then and now.

    In 1985 life exp was 44.6 yrs and today the 109.7 mil people have a life exp of about 65 yrs or about 20 years longer. Think about it?

  • Neville says:

    An Indian reporter explains why the developing world will continue to use fossil fuels and ignore appeals from the wealthy, developed OECD.
    Good for them and we should be building new RELIABLE Hele coal plants in OZ as well. Exporting our coal overseas but not using it here for future prosperity is complete lunacy.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/05/08/the-trouble-with-carbon-taxes-lessons-for-asian-policymakers/

  • Neville says:

    In 1985 the population of Africa was 552 mil, but today this has increased to 1.3 billion or 1300 mil. That’s an increase of about 2.4 times in just the last 34 years. A little less than the Ethiopian trend.

    In 1985 the average life exp of Africans was about 50 yrs and today this has increased to 60+ yrs. But as the red line shows on the graph a lot of recent deaths occurred because of aids. (UN data)

    But the future trend line for Africa is encouraging as it projects into the future. See UN graph below.

    https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/africa-population/

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/LifeExpectancy.png

  • Neville says:

    These EVs really are a delusional disaster and Labor plus Greens should be challenged at every turn.
    Even on a 3 phase fast charger they take well over an hour and the normal charger at home takes 24 hours at least.

    This is the very small Hyundai Kona electric that costs about $ 68,000 in OZ. OH and anyone over 182 cm will find it difficult to fit in the back seat. What a con, what a fra-d and at that price you would be a first class fool to invest in one of these clueless disasters.
    Here they claim that the cheapest Tesla sold in OZ would cost about $125,000. What a sick joke.

    https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-reviews/hyundai-kona-electric-highlander-73844

  • Neville says:

    Another accurate and informed post from Matt Ridley about the world’s biodiversity, in response to the latest nonsense from most of the MSM.
    His take away message for a healthy biosphere is the use of fossil fuels. This history lesson just makes commonsense.

    Ehrlich should have an award for fool of the century, due his many dud predictions, yet many clueless lefties still listen to him. Here’s the link from the GWPF and more to read at FULL post at the bottom.

    https://www.thegwpf.com/matt-ridley-biodiversity-alarmism-wont-work/

    MATT RIDLEY: BIODIVERSITY ALARMISM DOESN’T WORK

    Date: 09/05/19
    Matt Ridley, Reaction

    The threat to biodiversity is not new, not necessarily accelerating, mostly not caused by economic growth or prosperity, nor by climate change, and won’t be reversed by retreating into organic self-sufficiency.
    Paul Ehrlich in 1970: The oceans will be as dead as Lake Erie in less than a decade.

    Driven perhaps by envy at the attention that climate change is getting, and ambition to set up a great new intergovernmental body that can fly scientists to mega-conferences, biologists have gone into overdrive on the subject of biodiversity this week.

    They are right that there is a lot wrong with the world’s wildlife, that we can do much more to conserve, enhance and recover it, but much of the coverage in the media, and many of the pronouncements of Sir Bob Watson, chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Biodiversity and Ecosystem Services (IPBES), are frankly weird.

    The threat to biodiversity is not new, not necessarily accelerating, mostly not caused by economic growth or prosperity, nor by climate change, and won’t be reversed by retreating into organic self-sufficiency. Here’s a few gentle correctives.

    Much of the human destruction of biodiversity happened a long time ago

    Species extinction rates of mammals and birds peaked in the 19th century (mostly because of ships taking rats to islands). The last extinction of a breeding bird species in Europe was the Great Auk, in 1844. Thousands of years ago, stone-age hunter-gatherers caused megafaunal mass extinctions on North and South America, Australia, New Zealand and Madagascar with no help from modern technology or capitalism. That’s not to say extinctions don’t still happen but by far the biggest cause is still invasive alien species, especially on islands: it’s chytrid fungi that have killed off many frogs and toads, avian malaria that has killed off many of Hawaii’s honeycreepers, and so on.

    This is a specific problem that can be tackled and reversed, but it will take technology and science and money, not retreating into self-sufficiency and eating beans. The eradication of rats on South Georgia island was a fine example of doing this right, with helicopters, GPS and a lot of science.

    We’ve been here before. In 1981, the ecologist Paul Ehrlich predicted that 50% of all species would be extinct by 2005. In fact, about 1.4% of bird and mammal species, which are both easier to document than smaller creatures and more vulnerable to extinction, have gone extinct so far in several centuries.

    The idea that “western values”, or “capitalism”, are the problem is wrong

    On the whole what really diminishes biodiversity is a large but poor population trying to live off the land. As countries get richer and join the market economy they generally reverse deforestation, slow species loss and reverse some species declines. Countries like Bangladesh are now rich enough to be reforesting, not deforesting, and this is happening all over the world. Most of this is natural forest, not plantations. As for wildlife, think of all the species that have returned to abundance in Britain: otters, ospreys, sea eagles, kites, cranes, beavers, deer and more. Why are wolves increasing all around the world, lions decreasing and tigers now holding steady? Basically, because wolves are in rich countries, lions in poor countries and tigers in middle income countries. Prosperity is the solution not the problem.

    Nothing would kill off nature faster than trying to live off it. When an African villager gets rich enough to buy food in a shop rather than seek bushmeat in the forest, that’s a win for wildlife. Ditto if he or she can afford gas for cooking rather than cutting wood. The more we can urbanise and the more we can increase our use of intensive farming and fossil fuels, the less we will need to clear forests for either food or fuel.
    Full post

    • spangled drongo says:

      Matt Ridley is spot on, Neville, as any genuine environmentalist would know.

      “That’s not to say extinctions don’t still happen but by far the biggest cause is still invasive alien species, especially on islands”

      In Australia you only have to look at the Dingoes on Fraser Island as a case in point. They have wiped pretty much of all the ground dwelling wildlife there yet the greenies want them preserved and worshipped.

      Introduced predators are extinguishing natives in all our national parks because the Dingo had been naturalised and we cannot carry out the 1080 baiting required that selectively kills the ferals but doesn’t affect the natives.

      Yet these Green, “environmental” academics who make the rules and support these crazy policies have the hubris and stupidity to blame possibly the only thing that is providing any protection, i.e., increased atmo CO2, which is visibly thickening the undergrowth and providing more shelter from these predators.

      Not to mention the bird killing “renewables” that are doing horrendous damage yet get a free pass.

      The multidirectional lunacy of these climate alarmists is very revealing of their true, basic stupidity.

      • Neville says:

        SD I agree with you completely as I have close friends and relatives who keep me informed about stupid greenies and their dopey ideas. The Fraser island dingoes are a classic and of course the renewable bird mincers.
        See below for Ridley’s story about HB whales recovery to about 80,000 since the 1960s. Great news.

  • Neville says:

    There has been a big decline in renewable energy uptake in the EU. This comes as the stupid OZ voters look like voting in a Labor govt who will do everything possible to wreck our economy via an increase in clueless S&Wind energy.
    More of Hansen’s BS and fra-d fairy tales and zero change by 2100 and beyond. Yet the misinformed lefties will cheer them on.

    https://www.thegwpf.com/europes-dramatic-decline-of-renewable-energy-uptake/

  • Neville says:

    This data from Matt Ridley about humpback whales seems to mirror the so called plight of polar bears con job from the true believers. Here’s the full link and updated selection on the HB whales.

    From just a few thousand to 80,000 in 50 years is a wonderful achievement.

    https://reaction.life/biodiversity-threat-wont-tackled-alarmist-biologist-hype-dismantling-capitalism/

    “The BBC used a humpback whale song to illustrate species under threat of extinction. Humpback whales were down to a few thousand in the 1960s and listed as “endangered”. In 1996 as the population grew, they were downgraded to “vulnerable”. In 2008 as they became numerous, they were downgraded again to “least concern”. Today there are 80,000 of them, they are back to pre-exploitation densities in many parts of the world, and groups of up to 200 are sometimes seen feeding together, a success unimaginable when I was young. The same is true of many previously exploited species such as fur seals, elephant seals, king penguins and more”.

  • Neville says:

    Here is the WHO map of the world for life expectancy per country. Australia is the only continent with the highest possible life expectancy or black colour. China’s increase over the last 30 years to 76 years is an incredible achievement and boosted by the extreme use of coal, generating 66.7% of their TOTAL energy.
    Papua N Guinea lags behind Indonesian west side. Nothing to show for all those billions $ gifted to them by us since self govt. And Aboriginal Australians lag the rest of us by about 10 years, but improving steadily over the last decade.
    Certainly Aboriginal Aussies live longer than Indonesians and Papua N Guineans according to the Bureau of Stats.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

  • Chris Warren says:

    CO2 – now at 410ppm, heading to 500ppm – clearly caused by humans.

    https://archive.is/yaPps

    Denialists falsely claim it is “natural”, but this is dogma as there is no science supporting such fake news.

    • Boambee John says:

      Chris

      Very low energy. Please advise which “denialists” (BTW, you are the biggest denialist on this blog, routinely denying anything with which you disagree) claim that there is no human output of CO2.

      The real issues are the scale of anthropogenic temperature increase, and whether it will be catastrophic, beneficial, or something in between. Try to address those points without calling on GIGO computer models.

      • Boambee John says:

        Remember that 97% of computer models have over-estimated the scale of temperature increase over the last quarter century.

  • Neville says:

    Co2 levels in 1985 345 ppm and today about 410 ppm. Africa is the poorest continent and yet today has a much longer life expectancy than just 34 years ago. Then 50 and today 60 yrs and today Ethiopians have a life exp of 65 yrs compared to 45 yrs in 1985. Huge BONUS increase of 20 yrs in just the last 34 yrs and is probably close to a world record.
    Co2 is a terrible trace gas, NOT.
    Africa pop in 1985 was 552 mil and today is 1300 mil or 2.4 times greater and in just 34 years. Time to THINK ABOUT IT wouldn’t you say ?

    • Chris Warren says:

      Neville

      Improvements in life expectancy would have occurred even if CO2 remained at 385 since 1985.

      You need to find another canard for your denilists dogma.

      • spangled drongo says:

        How dumb do you have to be not to get that the world’s standard of living since the Industrial Revolution is the result of our ACO2 emissions.

        To think otherwise is to be the truly serious denialist [or even denilist as the case may be].

  • Chris Warren says:

    It cannot be much simpler …

    • Neville says:

      Chris that silly video is wrong on a number of points and of course there is nothing we can do about it anyway. My point is that humans have thrived since 1800 and REALLY thrived in the last 100 and last 50 years.
      We are much wealthier, much healthier and most people live much longer and most people don’t do much physical work to derive an income. If you can’t understand any of this, you’re beyond help.
      And all this has been because of the use of fossil fuels and only fools would try to replace this base-load power with unreliable,idiotic S&W energy. Nuclear and hydro is also okay if this available.

      • Chris Warren says:

        Neville

        Which parts of the video are wrong?

        • Boambee John says:

          To borrow a quote, most likely all of it, including the words “and” and “the”?

        • Neville says:

          North pole, south pole, Greenland temps + ice sheet, SLR etc.

          • Chris Warren says:

            Neville

            The video does not even mention North pole South pole, Greenland ice sheet. What is your next trick?

            It demonstrates trends for Arctic and Antarctic ice loss, which obviously includes poles.

            The video says sea level rise is 3mm per year. What is wrong with this.

            So which parts of the video are wrong?

  • Neville says:

    Wind energy is running into big problems across the EU, with a number of companies filing for bankruptcy. Some recent installations have undergone expensive updates to fix any number of emerging problems.
    As subsidies disappear a number of these companies are facing more problems of re-financing etc.
    Of course we are heading down this stupid road with the likely election of a Labor/Greens govt next Saturday. Don’t forget this won’t change the climate or temp at all, but will force up prices for all Aussies and waste endless billions $ for a guaranteed zero return.
    And to add to all this we have Labor’s/Greens coming EV lunacy to endure. Why would anyone want to vote for any of this?

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/05/12/is-the-long-renewables-honeymoon-over/

  • Neville says:

    Wheat crops around the world are set for a new record tonnage of 777 mil Ts in 2019. I hope their forecast comes true for Aussie wheat farmers as well, they certainly deserve a break.

    https://www.graincentral.com/markets/global-wheat-production-set-to-hit-record-777mt-usda/

  • Neville says:

    The UK govt reduced subsidies for EVs and sales have fallen as a result. In OZ sales of EVs are about 0.2% of sales yet a Shorten govt expects sales to shoot up to over 500,000+ vehicles pa by 2030.
    Here’s just a few questions —

    How will they charge these EVs? Normal charge times are impractical, therefore who funds the cost of 3 phase power in homes and charging stns around the country?

    How much would the taxpayer funding ( subsidies) cost per annum 10 bn, 20bn, 40bn?

    What happens when some of these huge batteries explode and cause deaths and house fires? Ditto for huge back up solar batteries as well.

    How do you dispose of the old batteries in say 5 to 10 years and where do you store the toxic waste?

    But aren’t EVs much more expensive, or more than 60% higher than an average size SUV? See Nissan leaf or Hyundai Kona etc. These expensive cars are very small and a Tesla or Jaguar EV costs are way north of 125,000 in OZ $.

    Last but most important , do EVs really reduce co2 emissions compared to similar ICE vehicles anyway? Tally up the above and I’m sure the answer is NO. So why are Labor/ Greens so keen to cause this chaos and slug us more than 30,000 to 60,000 $ per vehicle ( at least) for zero change to the temp or climate ?

    Here’s Lomborg’s video again on EVs. Could EVs cause twice as many deaths per year? See end of video.

  • Neville says:

    An interesting talk between Roger Pielke Snr and Anthony Watts about the temp record etc.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/05/13/whats-wrong-with-the-surface-temperature-record-guest-dr-roger-pielke-sr/#comment-2701768

  • Neville says:

    Even their BBC has noticed that Greenland’s giant Jakobshavn glacier has hit the brakes. Looks like the AMO might have started to enter the cool cycle. The cooling Atlantic would be a part of that process.
    We’ll possibly know for sure in a few more years.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/05/15/jakobshavn-isbrae-mighty-greenland-glacier-slams-on-brakes/

  • Neville says:

    Dr Roy Spencer shows that there was little warming from 2000 to 2015 and at least half of the early 21st cent warming was caused by the strong el nino after that date.
    That first 15 years shows little UAH V 6 warming using the York Uni tool and only about 0.1 c dec for Giss and HAD Crut 4.
    Here’s the link to Roy’s post via the GWPF.

    https://www.thegwpf.com/half-of-21st-century-warming-due-to-el-nino/

  • Chris Warren says:

    Carbon Capture? Well it is worth keeping an eye on developments;

    https://www.eenews.net/energywire/stories/1060375171/print

    24hr
    Access is free once you provide an email.

    • spangled drongo says:

      Sorry blith, you simply need to face facts.

      And forget your new religion.

      As Garth Paltridge so aptly said:

      “The bottom line of politically correct thought on the matter—the thought that we must collectively do something drastic now to prevent climate change in the future—is so full of holes that it brings the overall sanity of mankind into question. For what it is worth, one possible theory is that mankind (or at least that fraction of it that has become both over-educated and more delicate as a result of a massive increase of its wealth in recent times) has managed to remove the beliefs of existing religions from its consideration—and now it misses them. As a replacement, it has manufactured a set of beliefs about climate change that can be used to guide and ultimately to control human behaviour. The beliefs are similar to those of the established religions in that they are more or less unprovable in any strict scientific sense.”

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