July Off-Topic Thread

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For those who need to say something that is only vaguely relevant (or not at all) to the current topic.

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  • margaret says:

    From Henry Higgins to y’all.
    lyrics by Lerner and Lowe

    “I cannot understand the wretch at all.
    Women are irrational, that’s all there is to that!
    There heads are full of cotton, hay, and rags!
    They’re nothing but exasperating, irritating,
    vacillating, calculating, agitating,
    Maddening and infuriating hags
    Why can’t a woman be more like a man?
    Men are so honest, so thoroughly square;
    Eternally noble, historic’ly fair;
    Who, when you win, will always give your back a pat.
    Well, why can’t a woman be like that?
    Why does ev’ryone do what the others do?
    Can’t a woman learn to use her head?
    Why do they do ev’rything their mothers do?
    Why don’t they grow up- well, like their father instead?
    Why can’t a woman take after a man?
    Men are so pleasant, so easy to please;
    Whenever you are with them, you’re always at ease.
    Would you be slighted if I didn’t speak for hours?

    One man in a million may shout a bit.
    Now and then there’s one with slight defects;
    One, perhaps, whose truthfulness you doubt a bit.
    But by and large we are a marvelous sex!
    Why can’t a woman take after like a man?
    Cause men are so friendly, good natured and kind.
    A better companion you never will find.

    Men are so decent, such regular chaps.
    Ready to help you through any mishaps.
    Ready to buck you up whenever you are glum.
    Why can’t a woman be a chum?
    Why is thinking something women never do?
    Why is logic never even tried?
    Straight’ning up their hair is all they ever do.
    Why don’t they straighten up the mess that’s inside?
    Why can’t a woman behave like a man?

    Why can’t a woman be like me?”

    • Don Aitkin says:

      Margaret, you do realise, I hope, that HH is pictured throughout as an insensitive, indifferent and most unlikeable man. His mother knows him backwards, and thinks Eliza would be mad to listen to him or do anything for him. But he is a caricature. Even Col. Pickering thinks he’s OTT.

      • margaret says:

        Yes Don I do realise that.

        • margaret says:

          The comment was prompted because I was standing in a queue opposite the Regent Theatre where My Fair Lady is currently showing. I was going to John Clarke a Celebration in the town hall.

        • margaret says:

          “Clarke later relates a story about American troops arriving in Trieste after the New Zealanders had done most of the fighting. The Americans marched through the town carrying a banner that read “US Army ­Second to None”. The New Zealanders marched behind with their own banner: “None.””

          That is a funny man.

        • Ross says:

          “Yes Don, I do realize that.” ( Beautiful Margaret. He just couldn’t help himself, could he? )

      • spangled drongo says:

        Don, stop spoiling marg’s moment.

      • dlb says:

        Beats me why there was no trigger warning about sexist language and themes when I saw “My Fair Lady” earlier this year. 🙂

        • margaret says:

          It’s Henry Higgins cleverness and his contradictions that apparently make him charming.
          “Ultimately, Eliza is also so charmed by her association with Higgins (and Pickering) that she does not want to live with someone else. But if Higgins is charming, he is also a tyrannical bully; if he is devastatingly intelligent, he is also ignorantly insensitive to the feelings of others; if he is god-like in his achievements, he is childishly petulant in his wanting his own way; if he believes in his scientific methodology, he is also something of the intuitive poet; and if he is a man so confident of his aim in life, he is also a man so ignorant of his own personality that he really thinks himself timid, modest, and diffident. Thus, his appeal remains partly in the many contradictions that he is heir to”
          Cliff’s Notes

          • tripitaka says:

            It was the political correctness of the times that meant that women had to raise their sons or allowed them to be raised so that they could be ‘charming’ bullies. The problem that the old white men are having now is that the idea that they are ‘charming’ has been successfully challenged by sociological and psychological insights that show this way of behaving is dysfunctional and a problem for society.

            It was the political correctness of the times when Shaw was writing that allowed him to present Higgins as charming rather than as an ignorant prat who was part of a system that was cruel and forced others – women and poor or lesser men – to pretend to admire that sort of old white man who really think they are the high point of civilisation if not the high point of evolution.

          • margaret says:

            Those particular types of Victorians thought that by donning a top hat and tails they became no longer mere mortals. Thus they were compelled to create hierarchy within their species beginning with man as head of his household. The patriarch.

          • spangled drongo says:

            At least they no longer expect “gentlemen” whereas you sheilas think that “lady” goes with territory.

            About time you got over yourselves

          • Bryan Roberts says:

            Trip, if you had ever ventured outside your little Queensland town, you would have discovered that vast tracts of the world are inhabited by people who are neither white nor old. If you referred to them by their skin colour, in the same way as you do to the “old white men” here, your remarks would be seen as blatantly racist, as they indeed are in the present context. Your ‘progressive’ ideology does not excuse the mixture of racism and sexism that usually suffuses your remarks.

          • dlb says:

            Trip, please enlighten me to any human grouping, tribe, culture, nation or religion where the respected elders aren’t predominantly male. I don’t think “white” has anything to do with it.

          • spangled drongo says:

            Trip has been listening to Sarah Hanson-Young from the green girls club:

            ” Greens leader Richard Di Natale defended Sarah Hanson-Young’s decision to take her daughter on a $4000 taxpayer funded whale watching excursion, but refused three times to answer whether the trip passed the “pub test”.

            This morning, Senator Hanson-Young told the ABC to “cry me a river” after a high-profile presenter accused her of “reverse racism” for describing critics of her taxpayer-funded whale watching trip as “grumpy old white men”.

            The South Australian senator has been dogged by controversy after The Australian on Monday revealed she and her daughter took an overnight trip to the Great Australian Bight in September to “see the whales” at a cost to taxpayers of $3874.23.

            She defiantly declared yesterday she had no regrets about the trip and had no choice but to take her 11 year-old daughter, who she said was “sick” at the time.

            She sparked a further backlash among voters by telling Sky News on Tuesday her critics were “grumpy old white men deciding what is best for my family”.

            Labor Senator Penny Wong, who was on the ABC panel with Senator Hanson-Young, said the term “grumpy old white men” was “not the language I would use”.

            “A public figure would not use that language,” Senator Wong said.”

          • margaret says:

            Penny Wong would not use that term but that doesn’t mean Sarah Hanson-Young is incorrect … I don’t know the details but I think her 11 year old accompanying her couldn’t upset anyone except grumpy old white men.

          • tripitaka says:

            Bryan I don’t have to leave my small Qld country town to interact with brown and black people who come from many places around the world to study at the nearby university not to mention the numbers of refugees that the churches bring to Toowoomba.

            Because of my son’s proclivity for finding interesting people to befriend we have had in our home, Muslims from Indonesia and Malaysia, Buddhists from Nepal, Christians from Sudan (this young man was incredibly black and didn’t mind me being openly amazed by the texture and the colour of his skin and was not offended by being called black).

            And then there was a German girl he brought home for Anzac day lunch and we all made jokes about not mentioning the war.

            It is you Bryan with your sad little prejudices and peccadilloes that leads you to be so foolishly obsessive about being called an old white man. You do need to get out more and notice and appreciate how much wonder and diversity there is in the world and how much benefit there is for all of us in multi-culturalism.

          • Bryan Roberts says:

            “Because of my son’s proclivity for finding interesting people to befriend“

            Has he befriended any old white men?

            Do you refer to your son’s friends as ‘young coloureds’?

            “was not offended by being called black“.

            As you said, he was black – very black, and could not pretend to be anything else. I’m not offended by being called either old or white. I am both.

            I would like to point out that Australia is not ‘multicultural’. If it was, it would have all the problems of the Balkans.

            It is simply multiracial, and because of its British/Christian heritage, is one of the most tolerant nations on earth.

            Perhaps you would like to quit before you make an even bigger fool of yourself.

          • tripitaka says:

            Bryan lol you are a hoot. What should I quit? Talking to you? But hon you replied to me when there was no reason for you to do so. I didn’t address anything to you did I? And yet you wrote this to me:

            “Trip, if you had ever ventured outside your little Queensland town, you would have discovered that vast tracts of the world are inhabited by people who are neither white nor old. If you referred to them by their skin colour, in the same way as you do to the “old white men” here, your remarks would be seen as blatantly racist, as they indeed are in the present context. Your ‘progressive’ ideology does not excuse the mixture of racism and sexism that usually suffuses your remarks.”

            So I responded to you telling you that we live in a wonderful country in which I don’t have to leave my home to discover people who are neither white nor old. I didn’t really understand why you would take the trouble to give me this advice but whatever, I do like to help people and you could be so lonely you have no friends and need to talk to people on the internet and give them gratuitous advice about how to live their lives to fill in your days and sleepless nights or do you have medication for that?

            You said that if I referred to them by their skin colour in the same way as I do the old white men here my remarks would be seen as blatantly racist and I described a circumstance in which my comments about skin colour was not seen as blatantly racist. So you were wrong huh?

            Is that why you are now advising me to stop before I make a bigger fool of myself? I don’t understand how that works. But then lonely old men who think they are the high point of civilisation are so very needy and it doesn’t cost me anything to talk to you. Calling me a fool doesn’t work because I know I’m not.

            I suppose that talking to me keeps you off the streets and from yelling at other people less able to cope with your bad temper and the irritation that comes from being an anachronism. Don’s blog is a very useful resource in that way for old people like you.

            Australia isn’t multi-cultural you reckon? Does that mean that the Muslims here don’t have their own culture and are not refusing to integrate and are not trying to outbreed us and force all the women to wear burkas? Tell me more.

          • Bryan Roberts says:

            Jesus, trip, get off your fat ass and come back to reality. Since I retired, I have travelled more than two million miles around the globe. I don’t need your fatuous dictates about the benefits of ‘experiencing diversity’.

          • Bryan Roberts says:

            “Does that mean that the Muslims here don’t have their own culture and are not refusing to integrate and are not trying to outbreed us and force all the women to wear burkas?”

            Never heard of double negatives? I assume the sans culottes had these sorts of conversations as they knitted beneath the guillotines.

        • tripitaka says:

          dlb so what that there may be no current groups of people where the women are respected elders?

          There certainly were matriarchies in the past and there still may be in some parts of the world were the natural way of things remained what you would call uncivilised and without the wars that always lead to males taking over and forcing women to breed children who can be sacrificed on the alter of the male desire for wealth and power.

          The earliest human institution was not the nuclear family. The latest research now indicates that it was the communistic, female-centred clan.

          Engels argued this in 1884. After a century of establishment denial, including complicity by ‘Marxists’, it now turns out that he was right after all.

          https://libcom.org/history/engels-was-right-early-human-kinship-was-matrilineal

          There is so much knowledge now about women and the societies of the past that were not patriarchal but of course men like you would not have the capacity to be able to understand this knowledge even if you were prepared to seek it out.

          That doesn’t matter, it is clear that the solution to the problems that societies have now is the advancement of women into positions of power that it is happening and can’t be stopped.

  • Fascinating collectibles from Abe Books, my go to book source. http://catallaxyfiles.com/2017/07/02/abe-collectible-treasures/

  • spangled drongo says:

    Meanwhile, back in the world of real climate:

    ” …the combined spatial-temporal variability of U.S. tornado occurrence has remained nearly constant since 1950.”

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2015JD024465/abstract

  • spangled drongo says:

    And….

    The death of the global warming ‘pause’ has been greatly exaggerated:

    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/06/truth-global-warming-pause/#

  • spangled drongo says:

    From the You-don’t-have-to-be-stupid-but-it-helps dept., the progressives strike again:

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-27/sa-recycling-business-power-bills-rise-causing-closure/8654638

  • Neville says:

    Here’s a great find about the boom in building new coal fired stations around the world. Note this is from the NY Times and proves that the extremist’s mitigation delusion is a joke. Just add up those BIGGGGG numbers. Thanks to blogger Pat from Jo Nova’s latest post.

    pat

    July 3, 2017 at 3:35 pm · Reply

    “while we fiddle…

    found the following at Straits Times, Singapore and, luckily, noticed NYTimes credited at the end of the article.
    it took a while, however, to find the NYT piece, because it had a different headline and even searching excerpts didn’t work until i prefaced an excerpt with “New York Times”!

    note at bottom of NYT article: “A version of this article appears in print on July 2, 2017, on Page A10 of the New York edition”, meaning it wasn’t considered big enough news to make it on Pages 1-9:

    1 Jul: NYT: Hiroko Tabuchi: As Beijing Joins Climate Fight, Chinese Companies Build Coal Plants
    When China halted plans for more than 100 new coal-fired power plants this year, even as US President Donald Trump vowed to “bring back coal” in America, the contrast seemed to confirm Beijing’s new role as a leader in the fight against climate change.
    However, new data on the world’s biggest developers of coal-fired power plants paints a very different picture: China’s energy companies will make up nearly half of the new coal generation expected to go online in the next decade.

    These Chinese corporations are building or planning to build more than 700 new coal plants at home and around the world, some in countries that today burn little or no coal, according to tallies compiled by Urgewald, a Berlin-based environmental group. Many of the plants are in China, but by capacity, about a fifth of these new coal power stations are in other countries.

    Overall, 1,600 coal plants are planned or under construction in 62 countries, said Urgewald, which uses data from the Global Coal Plant Tracker portal. The new plants would expand the world’s coal-fired power capacity by 43 per cent…
    “Even today, new countries are being brought into the cycle of coal dependency,” said Urgewald director Heffa Schuecking…

    The United States may also be back in the game. Last Thursday, Mr Trump said he wanted to lift Obama-era restrictions on US financing for overseas coal projects as part of an energy policy focused on exports.
    “We have nearly 100 years’ worth of natural gas and more than 250 years’ worth of clean, beautiful coal,” he said. “We will be dominant. We will export American energy all over the world, all around the globe.”…

    Shanghai Electric Group, one of the country’s largest electrical equipment makers, has announced plans to build coal power plants in Egypt, Pakistan and Iran with a total capacity of 6,285MW – almost 10 times the 660MW of coal power it has planned in China.

    The China Energy Engineering Corp, which has no public plans to develop coal power in China, is building 2,200MW worth of coal-fired power capacity in Vietnam and Malawi. Neither firm responded to requests for comment.

    Of the world’s 20 biggest coal plant developers, 11 are Chinese, according to a database published by Urgewald. Overall, Chinese firms are behind 340,000MW to 386,000MW of planned coal power expansion worldwide, Urgewald estimated. A typical coal plant has a capacity of about 500MW and burns 1.4 million tonnes of coal each year, enough to power almost 300,000 homes…

    Much of China’s overseas push has come under the Belt and Road initiative, which calls for up to US$900 billion (S$1.2 trillion) in infrastructure investments overseas, including high-speed railroads, ports, gas pipelines and power plants…

    In Egypt, coal projects by Shanghai Electric and other global developers are set to bring the country’s coal-fired capacity to 17,000 megawatts, from near zero, according to the Urgewald database…
    Pakistan’s coal capacity is set to grow to 15,300 megawatts from 190. In Malawi, planned coal projects would bring its coal-fired capacity to 3,500 megawatts from zero…

    The world’s single largest coal-plant developer is India’s National Thermal Power Corporation, which plans to build more than 38,000 megawatts of new coal capacity in India and Bangladesh…
    The AES Corporation, based in Arlington, Va., is building coal plants in India and the Philippines with a combined capacity of 1,700 megawatts…
    Japan’s Marubeni Corporation is involved in joint ventures for a combined 5,500 megawatts of new coal generation in Myanmar, Vietnam, Philippines and Indonesia, according to the database…

    Bonds and shares of the world’s biggest coal developers, like India’s National Thermal Power and Marubeni, are frequently found in the portfolios of large institutional investors and banks…”
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/01/climate/china-energy-companies-coal-plants-climate-change.html

  • Neville says:

    This pie chart shows that power stations are the source for just 21.3% of world co2 emissions.
    And S&W probably make up a small percentage of that 21.3%
    Therefore a clear 78.7% of co2 emissions come from other sources. I haven’t seen any electric tractors or trucks or aeroplanes lately, so their mitigation is indeed a load of BS.
    Of course the human pop will increase by at least another 2-3 billion by 2050 and all these people will have to be fed, clothed, housed and looked after until well past 2100.
    Yet the UN expects life expectancy, wealth and general human well being to be much improved compared to our lives today. IOW the extremists are telling porkies every time they open their mouths. See Lomborg, Dr Goklany, Ridley and Dr Rosling’s You tube videos.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_mitigation#/media/File:Greenhouse_gas_by_sector_2000.svg

  • whyisitso says:

    Catallaxy has a whole thread today (4 July) devoted to the Declaration of Independence – http://catallaxyfiles.com/2017/07/04/the-unanimous-declaration-of-the-thirteen-united-states-of-america/

    I prefer this one (per Bertolt Brecht):

    After the uprising of the 17th of June
    The Secretary of the Writers’ Union
    Had leaflets distributed in the Stalinallee
    Stating that the people
    Had forfeited the confidence of the government
    And could win it back only
    By redoubled efforts. Would it not be easier
    In that case for the government
    To dissolve the people
    And elect another?

    • ianl8888 says:

      Summarised as: “The peepul got it wrong. They must be dismissed and a new peepul appointed immediately”.

      This sentiment still underwrites the view of the losers in any democratic decision. Or simply a refusal to ask the peepul any real question at all.

      Accountability is now considered illegal.

      • whyisitso says:

        Yes, but Bertolt said it beautifully. He was a communist but hadn’t been totally brain-washed apparently.

  • Neville says:

    Prof Stephen Hawking flies off the deep end. Just unbelievable nonsense.

    http://www.drroyspencer.com/2017/07/stephen-hawking-flies-off-the-scientific-reservation/

    And UAH V 6 drops back to just +0.21 c for June.

    http://www.drroyspencer.com/2017/07/uah-global-temperature-update-for-june-2017-0-21-deg-c/

    • spangled drongo says:

      And, Neville, the southern hemisphere dropped 0.4c in one month.

      Did the pollies in Canberra notice?

      • Neville says:

        Yes SD I noticed that big drop in the SH as well. I asked Ken Stewart about it see below, but I think he’s too busy. Also asked him about new higher trend of RSS V 4. But even RSS V 4 shows no warming in South Polar region since 1978 or nearly 0.39 of a century. Something very fishy about their CAGW theory.

        ngard2016 Says:
        July 4, 2017 at 1:34 pm | Reply

        There has been a drop in TLT since May of 0.23 c in the UAH V 6 for the globe and a huge drop of 0.4 c in the SH. Why was the drop so great in the SH and where has that heat gone in just 30 days? Just asking?

        2017 05 +0.44 +0.39 +0.49 +0.41
        2017 06 +0.21 +0.32 +0.09 +0.39
        ngard2016 Says:
        July 4, 2017 at 1:57 pm | Reply

        RSS V 4 shows a drop of 0.14 c in global temp for June. But SH shows about 0.23 c or 0.17 c less than UAH. Seems a big difference in just 30 days? Of course global temp much higher than UAH , May was 0.63 c and June was 0.49 c= drop of 0.14 c. So why is RSS V 4 NOW so much higher than UAH V 6?

        http://images.remss.com/msu/msu_time_series.html

  • Neville says:

    Wind seems to be disappearing in SA, although some earlier forecasts told us winds would be stronger. Incredible that any govt would even consider S&W energy to run a country. What an embarrassment for their so called science and the scientific method.

    http://joannenova.com.au/2017/07/wind-disappears-in-south-australia-costing-wind-industry-millions-bom-blames-climate-change-even-though-models-predicted-faster-winds/

    And Jo Nova covers the boom in new coaled fired power stations around the world and includes many maps and details. This is an increase of 43%. All this while we have the best and cheapest coal here in OZ that we refuse to use. You see we must use clueless, fra-dulent S&W energy and lose jobs and industry in the process.

    Just listened to that donkey Rudd talking about OZ taking action on climate change. Talk about barking mad, evidently Rudd can’t understand simple 1st grade sums or very simple logic and reason. Big surprise NOT.

    http://joannenova.com.au/2017/07/coal-boom1600-new-plants-in-62-countries-around-the-world-increasing-43/

  • Don A says:

    Don, I only just found the ABC ScienceShow on “Has :Denying” Won?” Quite upsetting actually. http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/scienceshow/has-%E2%80%98denying%E2%80%99-won/8618606 Does this qualify as a Red/Blue interaction you have recommended?

    • Don Aitkin says:

      No, but given the ABC’s longstanding commitment to settled science, it was a start.

      • tripitaka says:

        I don’t think the Science Show was the start of anything Don. I think that it clearly was end to any lingering doubts among ordinary people that there is any actual science in the objections that were presented. The show and the ‘sceptics’ demonstrated clearly that they have nothing to say that makes any sense except in terms of their own problematic cognitive ‘issues’ and their emotional investment in an outcome that validates their prejudices and strongly held belief system.

        As the idea that we can explain bad behaviour in terms of human psychology continues to make it’s way into the knowledge base of ordinary people, the next science shows dealing with climate change ‘sceptics’ will be about understanding where this dysfunctional emotional investment comes from and the nature and the basis of the psychological disorder that leads people to make exhibitions of themselves with the sort of foolish behaviour we see here, and to be so unaware of how foolish they appear and of course how we can prevent such disruptions to the progress of human knowledge in the future.

        • spangled drongo says:

          Trip is hereby now declared the new blitherer-in-chief.

          “Evidence? Evidence? I don’t need no steenkin’ evidence”

          Not only a completely evidence-free, ideological rant but done in the full knowledge of Robyn [100 metres] Williams’ mindless claim.

    • dlb says:

      “Has Denying Won?” Well despite the ABC’s best efforts using Pitman to hose the “denier” academics down, a majority of the commenters appeared to side with climate scepticism. Of course the resident loony left commenter tried to do a spray job.

      It maybe a start, but with scepticism on the rise I can’t see Robyn letting the “deniers” have too much airplay. One only has to see the week after, with a whole programme devoted to true climate believers; Church and Oreskes.

  • Neville says:

    Prof Michael Kelly looks at the challenge for S&W into the future. Importantly he says that the world in 2065 will require 4 times the energy we use today. S&W will only be able to contribute a very small part of this increase and like today most of that future energy will be generated by fossil fuels and hopefully nuclear as well.

    Of course air travel, transport, industry, farming etc will dwarf anything we see today and a population of about 10 billion people by 2065 will be much wealthier and will require a lot more energy than we use today. So why are we wasting trillions $ now and into the future on fairy tales like S&W energy? We should be carrying out more R&D on new safe nuclear energy to be used as soon as we can. S&W are fra-dulent and we should abandon them as soon as possible or just remove the taxpayer subsidies and they will then disappear overnight.

    http://www.thegwpf.com/michael-kelly-a-challenge-for-renewable-energies/

  • Neville says:

    Matt Ridley reviews a new book showing that humans are increasing biodiversity around the planet. Along with his friend Richard Dawkins Ridley is a specialist in this field of science and is an expert on extinctions of the past.

    http://www.thegwpf.com/matt-ridley-new-book-documents-how-humans-are-increasing-biodiversity/

    And the new Chinese MET office also recognises a recent hiatus in world temperature data, agreeing with the Santer, Mann and Mears 2017 study.

    http://www.thegwpf.com/china-recognises-the-warming-hiatus/

  • spangled drongo says:

    The dream of 100% renewables comes undone. PNAS peer reviewed paper:

    “Jacobson became the darling of the green Left even though his work was based on Enron accounting, alternative facts, and technology hopium. Nevertheless, his claims were politically popular, and his academic papers routinely sailed through peer review.”

    http://www.pnas.org/content/114/26/6722.full

    • Neville says:

      SD the S&W dummies are stupid beyond anything that has gone before. Here is Jo Nova’s article highlighting Ridley’s slaying of the S&W idiocy.
      Every year the world will require an extra 2% growth in energy just to keep up with demand.
      Solar and wind could never hope to even cover this 2% increase in demand so all the rest of their delusional nonsense is mind bogglingly stupid to say the least.
      And electrical energy supply at the moment only covers about 21% of TOTAL WORLD energy, so their entire argument is delusional . Here’s Jo’s summary of Ridley’s recent article. Just look at the land area and wind generators required every year just to keep up with demand.

      http://joannenova.com.au/2017/05/matt-ridley-wind-power-makes-0-of-world-energy/

  • Neville says:

    Josh Frydenberg told AM listeners on their ABC this morning that 1600 new coal fired power stns were soon to be built in 62 countries around the world. Here’s his comment where he also states that all sides agree that the new Adani mine is good for Qld. But apparently coal is a no go for Aussies at home. And I’ll supply the link.

    http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2016/s4697272.htm

    “JOSH FRYDENBERG: Well, my response is that globally the demand for coal is actually increasing. There is 1,600 coal fired power plants either being built or being planned across 62 different countries.

    Now Australia’s coal is low in sulphur and low in ash, whether it’s coming from the Hunter Valley or indeed from the Galilee Basin and is continue to be sought after, it’s our second largest export. The Adani mine and other mines like it can create thousands of jobs, particularly for the regions of Townsville, Mackay, Rockhampton where there has been higher unemployment.

    And I do point out that the Labor Party’s Shadow Assistant Minister for Energy Pat Conroy has welcomed the jobs for Queensland that come from Adani and I say the same.”

  • Neville says:

    A new PR study of global temp data sets has found that most of the recent warming has been achieved through temp adjustments. In fact most of the data has seen adjustments increase recent warming and decrease earlier temp data.

    Don’t forget that these data sets show about 0.5 c per century warming since 1850 ( HAD 4) and about 0.7 c per century warming from 1880. ( NASA GISS) I think a lot of this slight warming is due to cloud variation, the UHIE, various ocean oscillations and some solar forcing. Perhaps some co2 forcing is involved as well. Who knows?

    Here’s the link to the new 2017 study.

    https://thsresearch.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/ef-gast-data-research-report-062717.pdf

    And here is Michael Bastasch’s summary of the new study.
    “Study Finds Temperature Adjustments Account For ‘Nearly All Of Recent Warming’ In Climate Data Sets

    Date: 06/07/17
    Michael Bastasch, Daily Caller

    “A new study found adjustments made to global surface temperature readings by scientists in recent years “are totally inconsistent with published and credible U.S. and other temperature data.”

    “Thus, it is impossible to conclude from the three published GAST data sets that recent years have been the warmest ever – despite current claims of record setting warming,” according to a study published June 27 by two scientists and a veteran statistician.

    The peer-reviewed study tried to validate current surface temperature datasets managed by NASA, NOAA and the UK’s Met Office, all of which make adjustments to raw thermometer readings. Skeptics of man-made global warming have criticized the adjustments.

    Climate scientists often apply adjustments to surface temperature thermometers to account for “biases” in the data. The new study doesn’t question the adjustments themselves but notes nearly all of them increase the warming trend.

    Basically, “cyclical pattern in the earlier reported data has very nearly been ‘adjusted’ out” of temperature readings taken from weather stations, buoys, ships and other sources.

    In fact, almost all the surface temperature warming adjustments cool past temperatures and warm more current records, increasing the warming trend, according to the study’s authors.

    “Nearly all of the warming they are now showing are in the adjustments,” Meteorologist Joe D’Aleo, a study co-author, told The Daily Caller News Foundation in an interview. “Each dataset pushed down the 1940s warming and pushed up the current warming.”

    “You would think that when you make adjustments you’d sometimes get warming and sometimes get cooling. That’s almost never happened,” said D’Aleo, who co-authored the study with statistician James Wallace and Cato Institute climate scientist Craig Idso.

    Their study found measurements “nearly always exhibited a steeper warming linear trend over its entire history,” which was “nearly always accomplished by systematically removing the previously existing cyclical temperature pattern.”

    “The conclusive findings of this research are that the three [global average surface temperature] data sets are not a valid representation of reality,” the study found. “In fact, the magnitude of their historical data adjustments, that removed their cyclical temperature patterns, are totally inconsistent with published and credible U.S. and other temperature data.”

    Based on these results, the study’s authors claim the science underpinning the Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) authority to regulate greenhouse gases “is invalidated.”

    The new study will be included in petitions by conservative groups to the EPA to reconsider the 2009 endangerment finding, which gave the agency its legal authority to regulate carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases.”

  • spangled drongo says:

    How the ideology of Climate Change is killing us.

    For those who think the Grenfell disaster was the doing of wicked capitalists it seems it [plus many others] were done to fit in to the green ideology of Climate Change:

    http://spiked-online.com/newsite/article/grenfell-clad-in-climate-change-politics/20003#.WV4AFf9Jkp9

    The leaders of Kensington and Chelsea Council have been given the tour of a north Kensington tower block after it received a major £10 million refurbishment:

    http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/north-kensington-estate-benefits-10m-11329924

    • spangled drongo says:

      That’s not what that article said at all, marg.

      You better read it again or put your mum on.

    • Don Aitkin says:

      Margaret,

      This article really tells you that Marx was the first to say that capitalism was in crisis (actually, he said that capitalism created a continual crisis for itself). The rest is a beat-up. It isn’t clear to me what you mean by capitalism, anyway, though it is plain you don’t like what you think it means. The mixed economy (a regulated capitalism) is responsible for the great improvement of living standards not just in our own country, but in the rest of the world as well. That means yours as well. Yes, there was technological change, too. But it is the mixed economy that allows technological change to flourish. (Yes, I do know that Henry Ford kept the V8 engine under wraps long after it had been designed and proven.)

      • margaret says:

        Don
        ” It isn’t clear to me what you mean by capitalism, anyway, though it is plain you don’t like what you think it means. The mixed economy (a regulated capitalism) is responsible for the great improvement of living standards not just in our own country, but in the rest of the world as well. That means yours as well. Yes, there was technological change, too. But it is the mixed economy that allows technological change to flourish.”

        It isn’t clear to me what this mansplanation means.

        What is clear to me is that the way the neo liberals neo conservatives use capitalism to ‘benefit’ the people with a trickle down economy benefits only themselves.
        I didn’t study economics (thank god) and may be clumsy in my expression of what I “plainly don’t like what I think it means” as you so Henry Higginsishly put it.

        You have yet to mansplain anything to the spangled drongos and nevilled eggs when they go off half-cocked on their crazy rants but of course … they are men and they understand what goes on in a man’s heart.

        http://www.booksbycarolinemiller.com/musings/our-minds-our-bodies/teeth-the-gaps-in-our-health-care-system/

        • Don Aitkin says:

          Margaret, just a reminder: I don’t engage in arguments between readers. I respond if I have said something a reader doesn’t understand, or seems to have misconstrued what I wrote. In your case I can’t help you. I don’t know what a mansplanation is, and I still don’t know what you mean by capitalism. You’re on your own here.

          • margaret says:

            That’s how I like it.

          • spangled drongo says:

            And you must be used to it by now, marg.

          • margaret says:

            Don
            Capitalism is progressive as long as it’s mixed with socialism – social democracy does this. When capitalism becomes neoliberalism as is occurring in Australia and has occurred in the U.K. and U.S. it becomes detrimental to the health of the western societies and the citizens who previously benefited from it.
            That is what I mean by capitalism.

            “The term neoliberalism was coined at a meeting in Paris in 1938. Among the delegates were two men who came to define the ideology, Ludwig von Mises and Friedrich Hayek. Both exiles from Austria, they saw social democracy, exemplified by Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal and the gradual development of Britain’s welfare state, as manifestations of a collectivism that occupied the same spectrum as nazism and communism.”

            https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/15/neoliberalism-ideology-problem-george-monbiot

    • margaret says:

      “But The Economist must, however, draw the line at Marx’s characterisation of capitalism’s inevitable “immiseration” of the poor, pointing to the success of the welfare state and minimum wage in protecting workers.” … Hello? … Why is the government busily dismantling these ‘successes, dubiously claimed by capitalism’ then?
      If we need capitalism more than ever who are the fixers of its crisis?

      • Neville says:

        Please Marg , can you tell us which ism is best or which is the one you prefer and why?
        The industrial revolution has transformed the world and human well being in just a couple of hundred years, what more do you want?
        People are much wealthier and healthier today than ever before and China has shown that the rate of progress can now be ramped up to an even faster climb up the wealth and health ladder.
        I sometimes wonder if some people have any idea how short and tough human existence was before all the mod cons were invented and improved to change it all.
        Be thankful you live in today’s world with increased life expectancy, more freedom, abundant food, much better health care and an increase in our knowledge base that allows technological change and innovation that wasn’t possible even 40 years ago.
        And the next 40 years will see far greater change and poor countries will develop and see their people become healthier and wealthier as well. All the data points in this direction, yet a number of people still seem to be unaware of the changes to come.

        • tripitaka says:

          Poor Nev, so captured by the propaganda that you were taught about Captialism.

          “The reality is that the transition to a capitalistic society did not happen naturally or smoothly. English peasants didn’t want to give up their rural communal lifestyle, leave their land and go work for below-subsistence wages in shitty, dangerous factories being set up by a new, rich class of landowning capitalists.

          “And for good reason, too. Using Adam Smith’s own estimates of factory wages being paid at the time in Scotland, a factory-peasant would have to toil for more than three days to buy a pair of commercially produced shoes. Or they could make their own traditional brogues using their own leather in a matter of hours, and spend the rest of the time getting wasted on ale. It’s really not much of a choice, is it?

          “But in order for capitalism to work, capitalists needed a pool of cheap, surplus labour. So what to do? Call in the National Guard!

          “Faced with a peasantry that didn’t feel like playing the role of slave, philosophers, economists, politicians, moralists and leading business figures began advocating for government action. Over time, they enacted a series of laws and measures designed to push peasants out of the old and into the new by destroying their traditional means of self-support.”

          “peasants were forced off the land—from the enactment of so-called Game Laws that prohibited peasants from hunting, to the destruction of the peasant productivity by fencing the commons into smaller lots—but by far the most interesting parts of the book are where you get to read Adam Smith’s proto-capitalist colleagues complaining and whining about how peasants are too independent and comfortable to be properly exploited, and trying to figure out how to force them to accept a life of wage slavery.”

          And Captialism has done little to make human life longer and more healthy; it was do-gooders and scientists who worked to make cities healthier and to mitigate the worst of the crimes of the greedy and selfish and cruel Capitalist owners who actively worked against any measures to help poor people. Dickens didn’t make up his stories out of his vivid imagination; he was using the reality of his times to show how awful life was for most people at the peak of the first free-market capitalist period.

          You have no idea how long lived and healthy people could be without Capitalism. You learned this nonsense about life being nasty brutal and short stuff in your childhood and from your right wing teachers and have never questioned that political correctness.

          “The modal age of mortality in hunter-gatherers can range from 68 in the Hiwi to 78 in the Tsimane…… the lifespan of hunter-gatherers is not as low as commonly thought and in many respects rivals that of the industrialized world .”

          https://condensedscience.wordpress.com/2011/06/28/life-expectancy-in-hunter-gatherers-and-other-groups/

          The increased life expectancy that you talk of and what you call better health care results in far too many demented people living in profit making institutions or hospitals being kept alive when they would be better off dead or people who need to live a more healthy hunter-gatherer life-style being given drugs and procedures that make their lives less healthy and in some cases much worse and of course big profits for big pharma.

          There is no freedom when people are dependent on another person for a job; hunter gatherers are the real free people and rarely went hungry. There is plenty of food for people who understand their environment the way ‘uncivilised people’ do are and as fit and healthy as these people are. Read Bill Gammage’s book “The Greatests Estate on Earth” for a more realistic idea about how our ‘uncivilised’ people lived.

          It is wage slaves who are so unfree and at the beck and call of a boss who so often makes life miserable for the employees as the peasants in England knew.

          What data are you talking about that points to a better life in the future? I’d agree that the technological change and innovation happening in the area of renewables will be a good thing but I see nothing that points to capitalism continuing.

          In fact Picketty has pretty much proved that trickle down doesn’t work and can’t that capital always wins over labour. You need to read Prof Quiggin’s book “Zombie Economics”.

        • margaret says:

          Thanks nev, have some more scrambled eggs.

        • spangled drongo says:

          Neo Marxists like marg and trip are far too obtuse to get that in the global economy Big Govt is so much in charge of Big Business.

          But maybe they could give us examples where this is not the case?

          Where the Ginas are in charge of the Sir Humphreys?

        • margaret says:

          Neville, the ‘ism I favour is democratic socialism. I’ve said it at the outset of my participation and it’s unlikely to change.

  • margaret says:

    From A Gentleman in Moscow by Amor Towles, the book I’m currently reading.
    “Since the launch of the first Five -Year Plan in 1928,tens of thousands of their comrades in the urban centres had been working tirelessly to build power stations, steel mills, and manufacturing plants for heavy machinery. As this historic effort unfolded, it would be essential for the country’s grain-producing regions to do their part – by meeting the increased demand for bread in the cities with leaps in agricultural production.
    But to pave the way for this ambitious effort, it was deemed necessary to exile a million kulaks – thoseprofiteers and enemies of the common good, who also happened to be the regions’ most capable farmers. The remaining peasants, who viewed newly introduced approaches to agriculture with resentment and suspicion, proved antagonistic to even the smallest efforts at innovation. Tractors, which were meant to usher in the new era by the fleet, ended up being in short supply. These challenges were compounded by uncooperative weather resulting in a collapse of agricultural output. But given the imperative of feeding the cities, the precipitous decline in the harvest was met with increased quotas and requisitions enforced at gunpoint.
    In 1932, the combination of these intractable forces would result in widespread hardship for the agricultural provinces of old Russia, and death by starvation for millions of peasants in Ukraine.”
    … that was a man made disaster.

  • Bryan Roberts says:

    Documented by all the great Russian novelists. Have you been to Odessa? Trod the Potemkin stairs? Margaret, like trip, you’re wandering in a world of your own imagination. Get out and look.

    • margaret says:

      Bryan – sometimes vicarious experience is the only affordable option. Have you read The Death of Ivan Ilyich? I have and I recommend it to all – as well as A Gentleman in Moscow.

      • Bryan Roberts says:

        margaret, it may be affordable, but it is completely unrelated to reality. Watching the Battleship Potemkin, and walking the Potemkin stairs, are not remotely related to each other.

        “Affordable options” are a ludicrous base for opinions.

        • margaret says:

          Honestly Bryan, you have no capability of engaging in discourse and I now realise that you have not read The Death of Ivan Ilyich. That’s fine, not many have I suspect – however only a grumpy owm would not admit it. How lucky are you to have been to Russia but … perhaps you haven’t seen Angkor Wat, the Great Wall of China, Monticello or the Great Buddha at Kamakura.

          • Bryan Roberts says:

            margaret, I expect I could put up numerous similar barriers to your eligibility to comment.

            Don’t you people recognise that you are not debating the point, you are denying the right of people to debate the point?

          • margaret says:

            The point being …

  • Neville says:

    I think Ill leave Marg and Trip to their delusions of their fantasy history involving their fantasy planet.
    In the mean time Jo Nova links to real data about our electricity grid disaster. And remember none of this S&W disaster will create any benefit for OZ but will just ensure we will be paying ongoing, unnecessary hikes in our power prices into the foreseeable future. All for nothing, because cooler, more intelligent heads in 62 countries have decided to build 1600 reliable new coal fired power stations to secure their future needs.
    Why can’t we have more of this intelligent and wise leadership here in OZ?
    http://joannenova.com.au/2017/07/electricity-cost-train-wreck-arrives-in-australia/

  • Neville says:

    Dr Roy Spencer compares the latest RSS V 4 TLT dataset with UAH V 6 TLT. Note that both are well below average model trends.
    Average model trends are about 2.7 c/ decade and UAH V6 trend is just 1.2 c/decade and RSS V4 trend is about 1.7 c/decade. Therefore average model trends are 2.25 times higher than UAH V 6 and 1.6 times higher than RSS V 4.
    http://www.drroyspencer.com/2017/07/comments-on-the-new-rss-lower-tropospheric-temperature-dataset/

  • Neville says:

    Greenland has just had it’s coldest summer temp on record. The July temp was minus -33 c and that mid summer temp is more typical of mid winter temps. And so far there is also less ice melt this summer.

    http://www.thegwpf.com/coldest-july-ever-in-the-northern-hemisphere/

    • tripitaka says:

      So what Nev? How does this show that climate science is wrong?

      This on the other hand clearly is relevant to the argument that climate science is working well and clearing up the questions that puzzle sceptics.

      “The new study helps to reconcile the models with the historical record. It suggests that global warming occurs in different phases or “modes” throughout the planet, some of which happen more quickly than others. Scientists now increasingly believe that certain slow-developing climate processes will amplify warming to a greater extent in the future, putting the models in the right after all. But these processes take time, even up to several hundred years, to really take effect – and because not enough time has passed since the industrial revolution for their signal to really develop, the historical record is what’s actually misleading at the moment.”

      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/scientists-clear-controversies-climate-science-a7830361.html

      • spangled drongo says:

        Yeah! So what Nev?

        Dopey trip lands on a site that agrees with you in effect but doesn’t like to admit it until well down the page:

        “That said, the study does beg the question of how we can be so sure the slow climate mode will actually develop as it does in the model, since humans have yet to really observe it in nature. According to Piers Forster, a University of Leeds climate scientist who has also studied climate sensitivity, the models tend to rely on certain assumptions that have not yet unfolded in real life…”

        Go and study the truth WRG to climate uncertainty, trippie, and hang sceptical [as any rational person would] until you know a little more than your alarmist heroes.

      • Neville says:

        I know Trip it’s all guesswork and they MIGHT know something in a few hundred years time. But in today’s real world we continue to live a fairly easy and prosperous life.
        But we do know that Paris COP 21 is just BS and fra-d ( thanks Dr Hansen) and of course the developing countries and some OECD are using as much coal as they can. Oh and Shorten and Labor are only too happy to sell coal to any country that wants to buy.
        Once again it is all BS ands fra-d and Labor couldn’t care less about selling coal and increased co2 emissions. Try to think it through and wake up, please.

  • Neville says:

    Two recent studies have found that European sea level is influenced by the solar cycle and not co2 forcing.

    http://notrickszone.com/2017/07/08/surprise-2-recent-papers-show-sea-level-variability-have-little-to-do-with-co2/#sthash.qi6WT1xd.dpbs

    And a unique green home that was supposed to use the very best of green technology has now turned into a toxic waste dump. Now even the neighbors have to be protected from this dangerous “green” disaster.

    http://notrickszone.com/2017/07/07/unique-green-home-went-from-sustainable-to-hazardous-waste-site-in-just-months/#sthash.K2euPiwk.dpbs

  • tripitaka says:

    How sad that silly old deniers Nev and drongo can’t understand what they read unless it fits within the confines of their delusional conservative straight jacket.

    Are your heads exploding about that battery that the entrepreneur Elon Musk is building like so many other heads are in your growing smaller by the day group of losers who can’t cope with the way the world is changing and the way people are turning away from all the horrible ideas that made Western civilization such a force for the destruction of other people of the world?

    And drongo raising the issue of labor and what they do only shows up your real motivation for denying the reality that climate change science is normal science: You are politically motivated.

  • Neville says:

    With the latest power price hike it seems that Rudd’s crazy $1 a year is starting to look very sick indeed. Of course the stupid Andrews Labor govt in Vic is hurtling headlong down this path of closing cheap coal stns and forcing people to use clueless, super expensive and unreliable S&W power.
    What a rip off and if the Shorten hypocrite is elected it can only get worse. And none of this pain will produce any measurable temp reduction gain by 2040 or by 2100.
    Sadly these facts are ignored by ignorant Labor and Green voters who can’t add up simple sums or read reports from world energy forecasters like the IEA and the EIA.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/check-your-power-bill-politicians-have-ripped-you-off/news-story/5f2beee136e0b715fec9d7602953ad45

  • Neville says:

    An interesting comment from Kenneth Richard from No Tricks Zone referring to the latest data and studies from the Arctic and Greenland.

    Kenneth Richard 9. July 2017 at 6:40 PM | Permalink | Reply

    Yes, it’s official. Even Nature has now reported that Greenland has been cooling slightly since 2005. The Arctic warming trend only lasted about 12 to 15 years (roughly 1993 to 2005), and since then it’s plateaued and cooled.

    Kobashi et al., 2017
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-01451-7
    “For the most recent 10 years (2005 to 2015), apart from the anomalously warm year of 2010, mean annual temperatures at the Summit exhibit a slightly decreasing trend in accordance with northern North Atlantic-wide cooling. The Summit temperatures are well correlated with southwest coastal records (Ilulissat, Kangerlussuaq, Nuuk, and Qaqortoq).”

    The last 12- to 15-year warming trend in Arctic Greenland was 1919-1932. After that, it cooled for 50 years. Expect a repeat. The North Atlantic has had a head start with the rapid cooling: http://notrickszone.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Holocene-Cooling-North-Atlantic-OHC-Duchez-16.jpg

    Box et al., 2009
    “The annual whole ice sheet 1919–32 warming trend is 33% greater in magnitude than the 1994–2007 warming. … The 1955–82 cooling phase was most significant during autumn in east and southern Greenland.”
    Kenneth Richard

  • Neville says:

    Here’s Josh Frydenberg’s comment about SA’s new battery storage system. See down page where he claims that the new battery will only store about 1% of wind generated energy. It all seems very Mickey mouse, surely it would be much better to back up clueless wind power with gas?

    Here he compares energy storage systems. This seems to be an expensive, hopeless system for the SA govt and economy to depend on.

    “The lithium ion battery is a lot of sizzle for very little sausage, as it will provide only 129 MWh of storage, compared with 1000 MWh of storage at the potential Cultana pumped hydro project in the Upper Spencer Gulf, and the 350,000 MWh of storage from Snowy Hydro 2.0.

    On any one day, wind in South Australia can provide about 13,000 MWh of generation, of which the new battery project can barely store 1 per cent.”

    http://www.joshfrydenberg.com.au/guest/opinionDetails.aspx?id=241
    “Third, energy storage.

    “It was Malcolm Turnbull who put storage on the national agenda through his commitment to Snowy Hydro 2.0 and record ­investment through ARENA and the CEFC.

    However it has been the states, and in particular South Australia, who have not sufficiently prepared for the higher penetration in their own jurisdictions of intermittent sources of power, namely wind and solar.

    While we welcome the new battery project announced last week, it needs to be kept in perspective given the scale of the challenge South Australians face. The lithium ion battery is a lot of sizzle for very little sausage, as it will provide only 129 MWh of storage, compared with 1000 MWh of storage at the potential Cultana pumped hydro project in the Upper Spencer Gulf, and the 350,000 MWh of storage from Snowy Hydro 2.0.

    On any one day, wind in South Australia can provide about 13,000 MWh of generation, of which the new battery project can barely store 1 per cent.

    Finkel is very cognisant of the urgency of the storage issue as it relates to the future stability of the grid. That is why the commonwealth strongly supports his recommendation to require wind and solar generators to provide their own storage at a level set by AEMO and for vulnerable jurisdictions like South Australia to have even higher storage requirements than other states.

    Energy policy is a complex matter, not only because of its technical side but also because no single jurisdiction is supreme. The commonwealth and the states have proved they can work ­together to achieve significant ­reforms as we have done recently in the area of gas pipelines, but there is more the states can do.

    Opening up their gas reserves to development, encouraging competition in generation and preparing the ground early for more energy storage are cases in point. If they were to undertake ­reforms in each of these areas, Australians would enjoy a more affordable and stable energy ­system.”

    • spangled drongo says:

      But-but-but Neville, you can’t tell us that!!!

      Trippi here is wetting herself over this battery!!

      Just because Josh Frydenberg tells us the giant battery of South Australian Premier Jay Weatherill, the warming extremist: “On any one day, wind in South Australia can provide about 13,000 MWh of generation, of which the new battery project can barely store 1 per cent.” And that’s after spending in excess of $100 million, that’s no reason to spoil trippi’s day.

      She is convinced it’s so good that our heads are exploding in chagrin and mortification.

      She is convinced this is the marvel that will save the world.

      Mustn’t spoil her moment of triumph.

      Wait till tomorrow.

      • Neville says:

        Yes SD the left have zero interest in evidence and data, all they care about is their silly religious cult.
        And the left never cares about consequences that follow because they can’t add up simple sums or understand very simple logic and reason. Some of them even seem to have lost their grip on reality.

  • spangled drongo says:

    Any’ow, here’s a bit of cheer-up social justice, trip:

    https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2017/07/muhammad-social-justice-warrior/

  • Neville says:

    It’s interesting that the McKitrick et al study found that 50% of global warming could be due to the UHIE. If that was true there would seem to be little need to worry about co2 having much of a warming effect at all.

    Of course the population in 1900 was only about 2 billion , but today the pop is over 7 billion or 3.5 times higher in the last 1.17 of a century. A lot higher percentage of people live in cities around the world today than 30 or 40 or 60 or 100 years ago. And the numbers are much higher as well, so surely the UHIE should be adjusted for over time.

    Here’s the McKitrick et al paper.

    http://www.uoguelph.ca/~rmckitri/research/jgr07/M&M.JGRDec07.pdf

    • spangled drongo says:

      Essential stuff from McKitrick.

      I always wonder why warmists, deliberately it seems, refuse to acknowledge that when you build any substantial infrastructure the result is always warming, not cooling. Since the beginning of the industrial revolution when temperatures have increased about 1c, and population awa infrastructure has increased by 1,000%, I would think this paper’s claim is very logical and quite conservative.

  • Neville says:

    Our CAGW lunacy is sending businesses broke in SA and soon to be followed in Vic , Qld and other states.
    Just imagine the shock of seeing your electricity bill blow out by $100,000 a month. All of these people are barking mad and should have to account for their stupidity. Watch the video.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/the-shocking-price-of-our-global-warming-madness/news-story/945987a334485688c8fff412ad2d686b

  • Neville says:

    Jo Nova compares the UAH V 6 and RSS V4 satellite data and makes the technical stuff a lot easier to understand. Jo is a top communicator and data seeker.

    http://joannenova.com.au/2017/07/satellite-battle-five-reasons-uah-is-different-better-to-the-rss-global-temperature-estimates/#comment-1924395

  • Neville says:

    Dr Roy Spencer looked at the UHIE and came to the same conclusion as McKitrick et al.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/30/spencer-shows-compelling-evidence-of-uhi-in-crutem3-data/

  • Neville says:

    Another famous HIPPO sees his latest forecast bite the dust. Amazing for a person who enjoys so much extreme self indulgence this fool claims to condemn consumerism and capitalism. A bit like the Gore extremist and HIPPO who tells everyone that we should radically reduce our own carbon footprint and then personally moves in the direction of super consumerism.

    There seems to be one rule for the small consumer and another for the bloated extremists.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/07/10/we-just-passed-prince-charless-96-month-deadline-to-save-the-world-from-ecosystem-collapse/

  • Neville says:

    Could the EU’s green extremism have caused the Grenfell fire and the deaths of so many innocent people? Christopher Booker looked at the history of this disaster and found that the EU’s CAGW cult was indeed a key ingredient.

    These type of fires are common throughout the EU with over 100 occurring in Germany alone. Here’s the article and the link.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/07/10/the-grenfell-tower-fire-would-not-have-happened-without-eu-and-climate-regulations/
    “The Grenfell Tower Fire Would Not Have Happened Without EU And Climate Regulations
    charles the moderator / 3 mins ago
    Christopher Booker, The Sunday Telegraph
    “When, amid all the millions of words uttered about Grenfell, are we finally going to focus on the real cause of that fire? A comment on my column last week said that “only Booker could get a link between Grenfell, the EU and global warming into a single article”. But that is precisely the point. Without those two factors, the fire could never have happened.

    As I had written, all this talk about “cladding” has been looking in wholly the wrong direction. The cause of the conflagration was less to do with the “rainscreen” cladding: it was the combination of 6in of combustible Celotex insulation foam behind it with a void creating a “chimney” effect, sending the flames roaring up the building.

    In 1989, after a fire in an 11-storey block in Knowsley, the Building Research Establishment was asked to devise a means that could have prevented it.

    It found that this should be a new “whole system test” covering all the materials used on the outside of buildings to see how they interacted when installed together.

    But in 1994 the European Commission called for a new EU-wide fire test which was exactly what the BRE had found so inadequate with existing practice: a “single burn” test applied only to each material separately.

    But after 2000, when a Commons committee investigated a high-rise fire in Scotland, MPs recommended that the BRE’s “whole system test” should be adopted as the British standard, BS8414.

    By 2002, however, the EU had adopted its inadequate test, incorporating it in a European standard using EN 13501. Under EU law, this became mandatory, leaving the UK’s BS 8414 as only a voluntary option.

    The EU had also become obsessed with the need for better insulation of buildings to combat global warming, which became its only priority. All that mattered was the “thermal efficiency” of materials used for insulation, for which none was to prove better than the polyisocyanurate used in Celotex, the plastic chosen in 2014 for Grenfell.

    Fire experts across Europe have pointed out that the lack of a proper whole system test was ignoring the risk of insulation fires, not least in Germany, where there have been more than 100.

    Strangely, the maker of Celotex has stated on its website that the material used in Grenfell has been tested by the BRE as meeting fire safety requirements. But the BRE has tartly responded that this test referred to a different installation; and that “Celotex should not be claiming that their insulation product can be used generically in any other cladding system”.

    Had the Grenfell installation been properly tested under BS 8414 it would not have met the standard, and thus the fire could not have happened. The ultimate irony is that China and Dubai are now adopting mandatory systems based on BS 8414. They can do this because they are not in the EU. But, because Britain is still in the EU, it cannot legally enforce the very standard which would have prevented that disaster.”

  • Neville says:

    An excellent response to the CAGW extremists using evidence and data.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/07/10/real-climate-science-shows-trump-was-right-to-exit-paris/

  • Neville says:

    The Bolter doesn’t miss a trick and is onto the latest Chinese PAUSE study and provides a link to stir up the consensus babblers.
    Ya wouldn’t be dead for quids.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/china-confirms-warming-pause/news-story/bbd2d490502cc543580f1a3b03cc09d8

  • spangled drongo says:

    Just a little more education for the ever-blithering trip on the capitalist-free cause of the Grenfell tower:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/08/grenfell-tower-fire-would-not-have-happened-without-eu-global/

    • spangled drongo says:

      That link won’t tell all unless you are a subscriber so here is the conclusion:

      “Had the Grenfell installation been properly tested under BS 8414 it would not have met the standard, and thus the fire could not have happened. The ultimate irony is that China and Dubai are now adopting mandatory systems based on BS 8414. They can do this because they are not in the EU. But, because Britain is still in the EU, it cannot legally enforce the very standard which would have prevented that disaster.”

      Nothing whatsoever to do with those capitalist developers, simply, as I said before, bureaucratic bungling but based on EU and Climate Change influenced regulations.

      • margaret says:

        Capitalism morphed into NeoLiberalism

        “the philosophy arose as a conscious attempt to reshape human life and shift the locus of power.”
        “The term neoliberalism was coined at a meeting in Paris in 1938. Among the delegates were two men who came to define the ideology, Ludwig von Mises and Friedrich Hayek. Both exiles from Austria, they saw social democracy, exemplified by Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal and the gradual development of Britain’s welfare state, as manifestations of a collectivism that occupied the same spectrum as nazism and communism.”
        Andrew Sayer ‘Why we Can’t Afford the Rich’ – “Sayer argues that the past four decades have been characterised by a transfer of wealth not only from the poor to the rich, but within the ranks of the wealthy: from those who make their money by producing new goods or services to those who make their money by controlling existing assets and harvesting rent, interest or capital gains. Earned income has been supplanted by unearned income.”

        • margaret says:

          “Neoliberalism’s triumph also reflects the failure of the left. When laissez-faire economics led to catastrophe in 1929, Keynes devised a comprehensive economic theory to replace it. When Keynesian demand management hit the buffers in the 70s, there was an alternative ready. But when neoliberalism fell apart in 2008 there was … nothing. This is why the zombie walks. The left and centre have produced no new general framework of economic thought for 80 years.”

          https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/15/neoliberalism-ideology-problem-george-monbiot

        • tripitaka says:

          It’s really not worth responding to the drongo and his ilk Margaret, they won’t ever change their minds and accept that the paradigm has changed in so many areas that they once accepted as The Truth. I won’t be bothering any more.

          It is clear to enough to enough people now that Captialism does not solve the essential human problems and indeed is revealed as anti-human nature by so many disciplines in our current knowledge systems. There is even a paradigm shift in economics and the old neo-liberal doctrines that allowed drongoes to imagine that they were better people than others, that they were lifters and unluckier people were leaners, are on the way out with a younger cohort of economists looking at alternative systems.

          These newer economists are clearly seeing that the idea of rational man that underpinned neo-liberalism is irrational and unsupportable by the evidence we have now about the way the human mind works.

          But drongo and co are too old to wake up and smell the roses; they have too much to lose, like their self-worth which depends entirely on judging the rest of the world as lesser beings and themselves as better and they simply do not have the capacity, emotional or cognitive that would provide them with the strength of character and the empathy for others that would make enlightenment possible.

          It is unfortunate but probably the case that as the world keeps finding evidence about how badly neo-liberalism has worked and how it has increased inequality and human misery and failed to make a better world, drongo and co will become increasingly hysterical and continue to obsessively post irrational and illogical comments that they foolishly imagine support their out-dated world view.

          They and their ilk will continue warning that end times are coming, the Muslims are taking over and the end of civilisation is coming, as we the people talk to each other through the internet and work out how badly we have been screwed over by Capitalism and what we can put in it’s place that will really make a better world for all people and not just those who have the ability to rip off the less able.

          • margaret says:

            You’re right tripitaka. It’s a waste of energy. Everyone rationalises their circumstances to an extent but none more than owm caught in the spotlight of a new era where they’re no longer affirmed as the heroes – legends in their own lunchtimes – pulled myself up by my bootstraps with only my own efforts etc etc.
            I think I’m done here too … let the crackers fizzle.

          • Bryan Roberts says:

            I suggest your global interests would be better served by persuading the hundreds of thousands desperate to get access to the neoliberal ‘welfare’ economies that their interests would best be achieved by waiting for the advent of the ‘newer’ economies. Pity about the Greek milk bars, Chinese restaurants, and so on, that are ‘supposedly’ your pride and joy. Screwed over by Capitalism, were they?

          • spangled drongo says:

            But if you cannot face up to the truth of the Grenfell Tower disaster and choose to dwell instead on your owm-inflicted miseries and foolishly wish to believe the inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of rewards and the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries, I’m sure the world will keep turning, even while it laughs uproariously at you both.

        • spangled drongo says:

          That’s the way, marg and trip, when your evidence-free response to my annihilation of your claim that the Grenfell Tower disaster is the fault of capitalism, is just more blither, the best thing you can do is pack up your pots’n’pans and steal away in the night.

          But for your own cred, you should do it as quietly as possible.

          OTOH, if you can’t prove otherwise and you wish to maintain any cred, you might just come up with an admission that I was right.

          • spangled drongo says:

            “The leader of the London council that housed residents in Grenfell Tower, where 80 people died in a fire just over two weeks ago, has announced he is stepping down.

            Key points:
            •Borough chief Nicholas Paget-Brown and his council have been widely criticised since the Grenfell disaster
            •This week a council meeting that was made public by court order was shut down after just 20 minutes
            •Mr Paget-Brown resigned by saying he had to accept his “share of responsibility” for “perceived failings”

            Nicholas Paget-Brown, the Conservative leader of the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea, said he had to accept responsibility for what he described as “the perceived failings” of the council.”

            At least a conservative has the honesty to admit it.

            Has your penny [or honesty] dropped yet?

            Or will you simply dodge and hide?

  • tripitaka says:

    Margaret

    This is an interesting blog by “Ian Welsh (who)has been blogging since 2003. He was the Managing Editor of FireDogLake and the Agonist. His work has also appeared at Huffington Post, Alternet, and Truthout, as well as the now defunct Blogging of the President (BOPNews). In Canada his work has appeared in Pogge.ca and BlogsCanada. He is an editor, writer and social media consultant who currently lives in Toronto.”

    From one of his blogs written before the Grenfell Tower disaster in which he talks about the deaths that can be attributed to Capitalism,

    “There is a famous book, the Black Book of Communism, which claims to total up all the deaths communism is responsible for.

    Strangely, there is no Black Book of Capitalism.

    This is odd, because capitalism has been around longer than communism, has been more powerful, and has controlled more of the world, and the world was hardly a utopia before communism.

    Surely one should look at what deaths can be attributed to capitalism?”

    http://www.ianwelsh.net/the-black-book-of-capitalism/#comments

  • tripitaka says:

    And this is also a useful source of ideas that might work.

    Political economist Massimo de Angelis looks beyond the escalating human and environmental disasters of capitalism, and towards a social transformation in which we pry the means of production from capital’s grasp, and reclaim our labor in service of the needs of all humanity and the earth itself – while we still have time.

    Massimo is author of Omnia Sunt Communia: On the Commons and the Transformation to Postcapitalism from Zed Books.

    https://thisishell.com/interviews/958-massimo-de-angelis

  • spangled drongo says:

    Just how stupid do you have to be not to get this?

    But when, in spades, you fail to, how can anything else you say be worth listening to?

    “NONE of these temperature changes can be attributed to anything solar, celestial, gas composition changes, volcanic, etc. etc. What changed was the clouds, as observed.”

    But the GCMs have no allowance for clouds.

    And the warmists can’t quantify them.

    Yet they “know”.

    Quelle science!!!

    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2017/06/26/is-the-average-variation-of-clouds-co2/

    • spangled drongo says:

      It’s the fakery at the bakery that is so necessary to support the scam:

      Revisit and revise. The future is certain. The past may change at any time:

      https://patriotpost.us/posts/50101

    • Neville says:

      SD I commented on this years ago at Jennifer’s blog and got the usual abuse by Lukey. Do you miss dear Lukey, SD? I just compared the cloudier, cooler, wetter 1950s and 1970s in OZ during the last cool PDO, IPO etc.
      Now the Chiefio uses proper data and evidence to once again state the bloody obvious.
      Yes clouds are poorly modelled , if at all yet they don’t seem to enter the IPCC arguments at all. I know Dr Roy Spencer thinks that clouds and Ocean oscillations etc are responsible for part of our recent warming since the warm PDO change about 1976- 77. Plus the UHIE of course.

      • spangled drongo says:

        Yes I do, Neville. John Sayers and I tried to get Luke to join us at the Sheraton when Anthony Watts came to Australia but he didn’t show.

        He was always entertaining even though mostly wrong.

        Yes, from what I could gather with clouds they could not work out because they warmed at night and cooled by day that there was any net influence so they ignored them. How convenient!

  • spangled drongo says:

    Why the greens hate Nuclear and fail on energy:

    “40 years after the Khmer Rouge massacred 2.2 million people, a socialist regime is once again blaming the educated class for opposition to its plans for widespread land controls.

    A new United Nations report blames “educated people” for growing opposition to its Agenda 21 plan to de-develop capitalist economies and seize control of land.”

    “a nuclear plant generates much cheaper electric power on a much wider scale than wind and solar power. In the U.S., for example, wind and solar require about five to 10 times the government subsidy to provide a kilowatt of electricity than does nuclear power. And nuclear power is a much more dependable form of energy than wind and solar. One of green energy’s fatal flaws is that it isn’t scalable for large industrial economies and thus these energy sources make nations highly vulnerable to crippling brownouts and blackouts, as Europe and Australia have learned of late.

    For those who don’t drink the Kool-Aid of the radical Left environmentalists, these are incontrovertible facts. But here and around the world the Left is about as hostile to nuclear power as they are to oil and coal.”

  • Neville says:

    Craig Kelly is spot on about more elderly people dying in their homes during winter. Here’s the Adelaide Uni and Swedish study that found a higher rate of hypothermia in warmer South OZ than cold Nordic Sweden.

    Most Swedish deaths were middle aged males lying drunk in snow outside ( easily fixed) and typical S A deaths were from elderly women living alone at home ( note inside their house). Unbelievable but true, see Adelaide Uni press release at the time of study. Of course their ignorant ABC tried to infer that Craig Kelly’s statement was controversial.

    But he was supported by evidence and data from Adelaide Uni.
    https://www.adelaide.edu.au/news/news68322.html

  • spangled drongo says:

    Even a proddy like me can’t help but notice the sheer delight the progressive left take in the character assassination of catholics when arguably the proddies are more guilty:

    https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2017/07/came-cardinals/

  • Neville says:

    Interesting studies from Jimbo at WUWT back in 2013. These studies compare Arctic temps in the earlier 20th century compared to today.

    Jimbo says:
    November 19, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    But what about Greenland? It really is worse than we thought.. Can it get any worse than this? We must act now!!!!

    Abstract
    ….The record indicates that warmer temperatures were the norm in the earlier part of the past 4000 years, including century-long intervals nearly 1°C warmer than the present decade (2001–2010). Therefore, we conclude that the current decadal mean temperature in Greenland has not exceeded the envelope of natural variability over the past 4000 years, a period that seems to include part of the Holocene…..
    [Takuro Kobashi et. al.]
    ——-
    Abstract
    An aerial view of 80 years of climate-related glacier fluctuations in southeast Greenland
    …………the recent retreat was matched in its vigour during a period of warming in the 1930s with comparable increases in air temperature. We show that many land-terminating glaciers underwent a more rapid retreat in the 1930s than in the 2000s,……
    [Anders A. Bjørk et. al. – 20 April 2012]
    ——-
    Abstract
    Greenland warming of 1920–1930 and 1995–2005
    “…the rate of warming in 1920–1930 was about 50% higher than that in 1995–2005….”
    [Petr Chylek et. al. – 20 June 2006]
    ——-
    Abstract
    Greenland Ice Sheet Surface Air Temperature Variability: 1840–2007
    “…The annual whole ice sheet 1919–32 warming trend is 33% greater in magnitude than the 1994–2007 warming….”
    [Jason E. Box et. al. – 2009]
    ——-
    Abstract
    Extending Greenland temperature records into the late eighteenth century
    “…The warmest year in the extended Greenland temperature record is 1941, while the 1930s and 1940s are the warmest decades….”
    [B. M. Vinther et. al. – 6 June 2006 [pdf]]
    ——-
    Abstract
    The State of the West Greenland Current up to 1944
    “….It is found that warmer conditions existed during the decade of 1880, followed by a colder period up to about 1920, when the present warm period began. The peak of the present warm period appears to have been reached in the middle 1930’s,…..”
    [M. J. Dunbar – 1946]
    ——-
    Abstract
    A period of warm winters in Western Greenland and the temperature see-saw between Western Greenland and Central Europe
    Particulars are given regarding the big rise of winter temperatures in Greenland and its more oceanic climate during the last fifteen years….
    Dr. F. Loewe – 1937

    And similar studies comparing Greenland from earlier 20th century to temps today.

    Jimbo says:
    November 19, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    But what about Greenland? It really is worse than we thought.. Can it get any worse than this? We must act now!!!!

    Abstract
    ….The record indicates that warmer temperatures were the norm in the earlier part of the past 4000 years, including century-long intervals nearly 1°C warmer than the present decade (2001–2010). Therefore, we conclude that the current decadal mean temperature in Greenland has not exceeded the envelope of natural variability over the past 4000 years, a period that seems to include part of the Holocene…..
    [Takuro Kobashi et. al.]
    ——-
    Abstract
    An aerial view of 80 years of climate-related glacier fluctuations in southeast Greenland
    …………the recent retreat was matched in its vigour during a period of warming in the 1930s with comparable increases in air temperature. We show that many land-terminating glaciers underwent a more rapid retreat in the 1930s than in the 2000s,……
    [Anders A. Bjørk et. al. – 20 April 2012]
    ——-
    Abstract
    Greenland warming of 1920–1930 and 1995–2005
    “…the rate of warming in 1920–1930 was about 50% higher than that in 1995–2005….”
    [Petr Chylek et. al. – 20 June 2006]
    ——-
    Abstract
    Greenland Ice Sheet Surface Air Temperature Variability: 1840–2007
    “…The annual whole ice sheet 1919–32 warming trend is 33% greater in magnitude than the 1994–2007 warming….”
    [Jason E. Box et. al. – 2009]
    ——-
    Abstract
    Extending Greenland temperature records into the late eighteenth century
    “…The warmest year in the extended Greenland temperature record is 1941, while the 1930s and 1940s are the warmest decades….”
    [B. M. Vinther et. al. – 6 June 2006 [pdf]]
    ——-
    Abstract
    The State of the West Greenland Current up to 1944
    “….It is found that warmer conditions existed during the decade of 1880, followed by a colder period up to about 1920, when the present warm period began. The peak of the present warm period appears to have been reached in the middle 1930’s,…..”
    [M. J. Dunbar – 1946]
    ——-
    Abstract
    A period of warm winters in Western Greenland and the temperature see-saw between Western Greenland and Central Europe
    Particulars are given regarding the big rise of winter temperatures in Greenland and its more oceanic climate during the last fifteen years….
    Dr. F. Loewe – 1937

  • Neville says:

    The Bolter’s brilliant editorial on the Bolt Report last night. Full of facts and the concession from our Chief Scientist Finkel that we are NOT TACKLING their so called CAGW. Definitely this is all pain for no gain and that makes this ongoing PONZI scheme the greatest fra-d since humans stood on two legs.

    And that Shorten donkey keeps telling us that we must tackle climate change. Oh and people actually want to vote for this fool? Gawwrrd help us. Trillions $ WASTED straight down the drain, but will the voters ever wake up?

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/how-warmist-politicians-are-making-your-life-tough/news-story/5c7c9638ae7b4a00def02f122586d04a

    • spangled drongo says:

      And even more stupidity, Neville:

      “Australia’s Labor governments have committed to having zero net carbon emissions by 2050 as the federal government remains split on energy policy.

      The governments of Victoria, Queensland, South Australia and the ACT have jointly declared they will lead the country towards a clean energy future.

      “We have all committed to reducing our emissions to net zero by 2050,” their leaders said in a joint statement on Thursday.

      Former US vice president Al Gore, who was in Melbourne for an environment conference, said the states’ plan was “extremely impressive”.”

      When Big Al agrees you know you’re doing something reeeel stupid.

  • Neville says:

    Here’s Andrew Bolt’s editorial from last night’s BR. We have donkeys governing across OZ today and they have no shame and are a disgrace. Thank you Craig Kelly for telling the public the truth and Labor calling for his sacking are acting and sounding like the morons. Look at the Lancet study and the Adelaide Uni study, Kelly is correct.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/yes-expensive-electricity-will-kill-the-poor/news-story/82b1c29a5a059c96b126e9178e8d226c
    Andrew Bolt, Herald Sun
    July 13, 2017 8:32pm

    My editorial from The Bolt Report: Craig Kelly is right – high power prices thanks (in part) to global warming policies will kill poor people made too scared to put on the heating. Shame on the global warming extremists shouting Kelly down. Shame on the politicians who’d rather defend their global warming religion than save the poor.

  • Neville says:

    The latest study in the Lancet supports Craig Kelly’s claims about electricity prices and the risk of death from cold weather events.

    Here’s WUWT coverage of the study and from NY Times. The Graph at the end of the article clearly shows the much higher mortality from moderate and extreme cold events. Heat wave events don’t cause as many deaths as moderate or extreme cold weather. Here’s the link.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/12/20/moderate-cold-kills/
    Surprising Results From Study: Moderate Cold Kills More People Than Extreme Heat
    Kip Hansen / December 20, 2016

    Guest Post by Kip Hansen

    cold_outside

    Science is a wonderful thing. As time moves on, in a single direction, Science, as an endeavor, discovers new things and improves our lives.

    With a “hat tip” to the inestimable Jane Brody, health journalist at the NY Times who covers the story here, we are reminded of the study [free .pdf] from Antonio Gasparrini et al. which was published in The Lancet, July 25, 2015, with the [way too long] title: “Mortality risk attributable to high and low ambient temperature: a multicountry observational study”.

    The bottom-line finding, the take home message, might surprise even readers here at WUWT, quoted in the side-bar of the journal article:

    Interpretation:

    We report that non-optimum ambient temperature is responsible for substantial excess in mortality, with important differences between countries. Although most previous research has focused on heat-related effects, most of the attributable deaths were caused by cold temperatures. Despite the attention given to extreme weather events, most of the effect happened on moderately hot and moderately cold days, especially moderately cold days. This evidence is important for improvements to public health policies aimed at prevention of temperature-related health consequences, and provides a platform to extend predictions on future effects in climate-change scenarios. [extra emphasis mine – kh]

    It is not extreme weather, not extreme temperatures, neither hot or cold, that cause the most temperature-related deaths:

    “The underlying physiopathological mechanisms that link exposure to non-optimum temperature and mortality risk have not been completely elucidated. Heat stroke on hot days and hypothermia on cold days only account for small proportions of excess deaths.

    “Discussion

    Our findings show that temperature is responsible for advancing a substantial fraction of deaths, corresponding to 7.71% of mortality in the selected countries within the study period. Most of this mortality burden was caused by days colder than the optimum temperature (7.29%), compared with days warmer than the optimum temperature (0.42%). Furthermore, most deaths were caused by exposure to moderately hot and cold temperatures, and the contribution of extreme days was comparatively low, despite increased RRs [relative risks].

    Our results suggest that public-health policies and adaptation measures should be extended and refocused to take account of the whole range of effects associated with temperature…”

    The oft-repeated mantra of “global warming will cause more heat waves, extremely high temperature days, which kill more people” is simply not true — heat waves are not the big killer. Rather, cold days are the big killer – but not extremely cold days, as we intuitively think, but moderately cold days are responsible for the highest percentage of excess deaths due to ambient temperature. Equally true, it is not the extremely hot days that cause the bulk of high ambient temperature related deaths, but moderately hot days.

    Read the study, [corrected now, h/t Griff and Les Johnson] it is short and accessible.

    # # # # #

    Anthony: I’ve updated the title and I thought it important to display this graph of results, thanks to reader “Greg”. From the paper:

    More temperature-attributable deaths were caused by cold (7·29%, 7·02–7·49) than by heat (0·42%, ·39–0·44). Extreme cold and hot temperatures were responsible for 0·86% (0·84–0·87) of total mortality.

    temperature_mortality

  • Bryan Roberts says:

    Neville, whether or not Turnbull loses the next election, the country will continue (at an accelerated rate) down the current path. The real question is how much damage will be caused, and whether it will be able to recover, given that the magic of the ‘lucky country’ has probably vanished forever.

    • Neville says:

      I agree Bryan and I certainly haven’t got a crystal ball. But the Coalition has a very solid base that understands that their CAGW con and fra-d is nonsense, so they are still a much better bet than Labor and the Greens.
      I’m afraid that most people have a very poor understanding about the data and evidence in relation to AGW. Most of Shorten’s stupid statements are so unbelievably ignorant that you just have to shake your head in disbelief.
      Are these people really this dumb or are they just hell bent on wrecking our country?
      I think Lomborg’s you tube coverage of Paris COP 21 provides the best and quickest way for new chums to catch up and understand why even Dr Hansen called it BS and fra-d.
      The cost will be the waste of endless trillions $ for no measurable change to temp at all. So why are our pollies and media so stupid?

  • spangled drongo says:

    The “scientists” [Santer, Meehl, England, Mann et al] that recently published this paper in Nature geoscience:

    https://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v10/n7/abs/ngeo2973.html

    because the truth had caught up with their endless decades of modelled BS, thought it prudent to end their abstract with:

    “We conclude that model overestimation of tropospheric warming in the early twenty-first century is partly due to systematic deficiencies in some of the post-2000 external forcings used in the model simulations.”

    But then, so they could remain in their Kosy Konsensual Klub, finished the paper with a bum-covering:

    “Although scientific discussion about the causes of short-term differences between modelled and observed warming rates is likely to continue, this discussion does not cast doubt on the reality of long-term anthropogenic warming.”

    IOW, the models that have been so wrong for so long are so right tonight.

    The art of claiming two opposites in the one paper is still alive and well in alarmist science.

    And a straight face was kept by all.

  • Bryan Roberts says:

    ““We conclude that model overestimation of tropospheric warming in the early twenty-first century is partly due to systematic deficiencies in some of the post-2000 external forcings used in the model simulations.”

    A career-ending admission for a post-doc in any other discipline.

    • spangled drongo says:

      Yes Bryan. But why is it that govts can’t see this unprofessional GIGO carry-on and treat it with the contempt it deserves?

      The red team would have a field day on that sort of BS.

  • Neville says:

    The Bolter takes Gore to task for telling many more porkies in his new Sci fi flick ‘Inconvenient Sequel.”
    But the media are too stupid to check facts and complete some very basic research before they interview this clown.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/al-gore-fake-prophet/news-story/240f1d5f3be5c173d3d8610d5aa9cedb

  • spangled drongo says:

    “The current average world temperature is about 58 degrees. The true believers in climate change are predicting global catastrophe if that temperature rises by a worst-case estimate of 7 degrees Fahrenheit. That would bring the world average temperature to about 65 degrees.

    Dubai, today, is doing quite well at an average temperature 35 degrees higher.”

    http://dailysignal.com/2017/07/12/fossil-fuels-will-help-us-confront-climate-change-1/

  • Neville says:

    Jo Nova also highlights the fact that people die from moderate cold weather not heatwaves. Do the warming extremists really have any interest in real evidence and data?
    And our stupid media follow and promote donkeys like Gore and Flannery and their long list of dud forecasts.

    http://joannenova.com.au/2017/07/forget-extreme-temperatures-nothing-kills-as-many-people-as-moderate-cold/#comments

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